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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
#1241946
01/26/15 04:50 PM
01/26/15 04:50 PM
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yotetrapper
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Yes have it with you. Don't make a late evening mistake and shoot a spike or other racked buck though...
Jon Bartlett
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: Joe4majors]
#1241993
01/26/15 05:11 PM
01/26/15 05:11 PM
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MTeague
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Why is it so hard to keep a piece of paper on you? Sometimes simple is hard for some folks....
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: Joe4majors]
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01/27/15 12:33 AM
01/27/15 12:33 AM
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Posts: 7,780 central ala,
centralala
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Why is it so hard to keep a piece of paper on you? It serves no purpose. I carry nothing with me because I lose stuff all the time. Get wet from sweat or rain. Haven't seen my hunting license in years...I do need to find them. The biggest thing is I just have a problem with them. 2 reasons 1). They are too easy to cheat on. 2). They serve no purpose such as data collection. Now, I do NOT have the answer for a solution but most of the rules and regs serve a purpose. Some could argue this does also but I don't see it. Whats best for the herd while accommodating hunters. Somehow this should serve as a data collection point.
Last edited by centralala; 01/27/15 12:46 AM.
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
#1242205
01/27/15 02:41 AM
01/27/15 02:41 AM
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jason e
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It only serves one purpose,generate revenue.
Last edited by jason e; 01/27/15 02:41 AM.
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
#1242788
01/27/15 10:02 AM
01/27/15 10:02 AM
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Posts: 6,618 Lake View, AL
Joe4majors
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Why is it so hard to keep a piece of paper on you? It serves no purpose. I carry nothing with me because I lose stuff all the time. Get wet from sweat or rain. Haven't seen my hunting license in years...I do need to find them. The biggest thing is I just have a problem with them. 2 reasons 1). They are too easy to cheat on. 2). They serve no purpose such as data collection. Now, I do NOT have the answer for a solution but most of the rules and regs serve a purpose. Some could argue this does also but I don't see it. Whats best for the herd while accommodating hunters. Somehow this should serve as a data collection point. I worry about leaving things too. I've been putting all my paperwork in a single ziplock bag and then keeping it in a pant's pocket. All I have to do is avoid sending the pants through the washer with the paperwork still inside. Perhaps the current set up for the harvest record is not ideal, but I can't control that...I can control keeping it on me though. The Ziplock has kept the paperwork dry.
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
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01/27/15 10:20 AM
01/27/15 10:20 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,976 Round ‘bout there
Clem
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I think I'm on my third or fourth "Harvest Permit" this season.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
#1242954
01/27/15 12:11 PM
01/27/15 12:11 PM
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Posts: 1,258 Cullman County
yotetrapper
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I have a question for y'all, and I'm not supporting or going against an actual tag system.
What is the difference between having to carry the current harvest record with you and having to carry an actual tag you put on the deer? Both can be washed, get wet, get lost and some of the ones I've seen have to be written on. People can still not tag the deer and get away with it, just like they can now by not writing them down. I'm not trying to argue, just trying to figure out the benefits of an actual tag over a harvest record.
Jon Bartlett
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: yotetrapper]
#1242958
01/27/15 12:15 PM
01/27/15 12:15 PM
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Posts: 15,918 Elmore County
Frankie
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I have a question for y'all, and I'm not supporting or going against an actual tag system.
What is the difference between having to carry the current harvest record with you and having to carry an actual tag you put on the deer? Both can be washed, get wet, get lost and some of the ones I've seen have to be written on. People can still not tag the deer and get away with it, just like they can now by not writing them down. I'm not trying to argue, just trying to figure out the benefits of an actual tag over a harvest record. or using a tag that some one else got .
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: jason e]
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01/27/15 12:31 PM
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Matt Brock
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Matt Brock
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It only serves one purpose,generate revenue. Explain please.
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
#1242985
01/27/15 12:39 PM
01/27/15 12:39 PM
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Joined: Dec 2002
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Clem
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Probably the best material for tags is the Tyvek non-tear stuff that can be written on or something like the tie used for a Hefty bag. Maybe a little wider but something that could be affixed to the antler or thru a hole cut in the ear lobe.
Have had to tag deer in some other states. It's kind of a pain in the ass, to be honest. I think in Ohio two years ago the guy I was with (landowner) put it in a ziplok bag so it wouldn't get washed away or whatever while cleaning, wrapped the tag around the antler then used a zip tie. Have seen others with zip ties, tape, wire, etc. All just to prove that's "your" deer. What a pain in the ass.
Also, in Ohio, I wrote down the telecheck confirmation on the wrong license. So I screwed up my antlerless tag with the info supposed to go on my buck tag. Called the GW to find out what to do; he said I could go purchase another antlerless tag. What a damned mess, because of a simple mistake.
The Telecheck system and just having a confirmation number probably is the easiest method. Making it more difficult - get a tag, keep up with the tags, punch out something, write this down, take a pen, keep up with that, have a tag AND have to call in AND keep up with the tag, etc. - is yet another deal that some hunters will see and say "Naa, don't wanna. I'll just hunt squirrels or go fishing or quit all together."
BTW, the mobile GameCheck app is pretty neat. Haven't used it yet but I have it on my phone.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
#1242995
01/27/15 12:49 PM
01/27/15 12:49 PM
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Posts: 1,258 Cullman County
yotetrapper
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I've seen the Tyvek stuff too, but if we were to keep a 3 buck limit an you lose a tag or all your tags...then are you just out of luck for the season?
I just don't believe there is a foolproof system to tag or record deer that doesn't put some amount of responsibility on the Hunter to keep up with tag or harvest record. And if someone wants to not tag a deer or record a deer they will find a way to do it.
Jon Bartlett
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
#1243005
01/27/15 12:54 PM
01/27/15 12:54 PM
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Matt Brock
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But officer, don't you think placing responsibility on hunters is an inconvenience?
Last edited by Matt Brock; 01/27/15 12:55 PM.
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
#1243049
01/27/15 01:37 PM
01/27/15 01:37 PM
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Posts: 51,976 Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Tagging works in other states and has for decades. Telecheck or computer check has worked for several years. Hunters have kept up with their tags just like they keep up with licenses, driver's licenses, wallets, whatever.
The biggest thing is why are the tags needed? More accurate data? For what? Management?
Fine. But show why that management is needed in Alabama (or any state) before just saying "we're going to tags" or "this is the new X limit."
We have a successful deer "harvest" every season. Hunters are happy, right? We see big bucks killed, smaller bucks killed, does killed or not killed. For all the yammering about "trophy" deer and "money lost in other states" and such, managing for "trophy" bucks shouldn't be and I don't believe is the main goal of the agency.
So what is going to be gained by knowing, with a small +/- percentage, that 219,023 bucks were killed this season? Or that 184,302 does were killed and that may be 10 percent fewer than last year? By looking at the "harvest" totals from 10-15 years in Ohio, what does their DNR see that having tags and specific numbers each season give them?
What is the specific outcome of knowing that data? To manage better? How? By tinkering with doe-buck limits every few years? Or to just have more data?
Trying to learn, not trying to argue.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Harvest record??
[Re: centralala]
#1243094
01/27/15 02:25 PM
01/27/15 02:25 PM
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Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,258 Cullman County
yotetrapper
8 point
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I wouldn't say that tagging systems and telecheck systems have "worked" in other states. I'm sure hunters from other states lose tags and also fail to report kills. Some folks just are not going to do exactly what they are supposed to do.
As far as what data can be collected and its use, there is a lot of knowledge that can be gained from a dead deer. Granted much of that data the average Hunter may not be equipped or able to collect, like jawbone aging or carcass condition(deer health/fat). But even simple things like if the deer was a fawn(legal no spots), yearling, or adult can be useful in deer /resource management. When a calendar date and approximate location is associated with a kill you could get an idea of what season dates are most productive for hunters. Sharp declines in total harvest numbers of deer in certain areas could help with adjusting season dates and bag limits or could help identify areas that may have been hit with EHD. But again, Even more in depth data like age, weight, antler measurements and body condition would be great data to have, but I don't think hunters should be made to collect very in depth data, as the accuracy would vary and complicate harvest reporting too much.
This is not to say I'm for a telecheck system. However, I do think hunters should want to volunteer that information though, as it helps with conservation efforts and is a very simple way of helping.
Jon Bartlett
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