People who have limited time to kill the deer they need to kill in order to properly manage the herd on the places they manage. Deer numbers are not down everywhere, and some folks need to kill more than 1 per hunt to make a darn difference.

Dang Matt...I would have never guessed that...People must be real tight lipped nowadays about their numbers then...You know more about it than I do...........Overpopulated is what your saying?

Just exactly where....

Not everyone....I was fine with the liberal regulations we had previously and only asked for more education within that system.

As for game check, I have never seen evidence of how the system gives statistically valid information. The survey we already have in place is according to AU statistically valid. If it is valid, what do we need more data points to tell us the same thing? If it isn't valid, expand the survey.

Matt I dream about having that problem....those people don't know how lucky they are....

That is for sure. And that is a big problem in Alabama. Small property and the owners/lessors want to kill as many deer as if they had 1000 acres or more.

Alabama is not, never has been and never will be a trophy State like the Midwest and Plains States. Different species of whitetail and totally different soils and habitat.

Alabama has made light years strides in improving the deer situation, rules, regs etc. Now it is enough. We are right were we need to be. Now it is a matter of folks properly managing their own ground and using encouragement, education and social pressure on surrounding properties to do the same.

If you are killing more than ONE buck and ONE doe off 50 acres (total for the acreage) YOU are guilty of POOR management yourself.

If you want to kill a Booner go to Iowa or Illinois. Or become a successful business man, buy a chitoload of land in the right place and high fence it and import Iowa deer for it.

Agree, and some of the problem is, they're more vocal than the guys with larger acreage...therefore you get changes like the move back to one doe a day. Seems that most (not all) of the whining about lower deer numbers is coming from the guys with 40 acres...80 acres...100 acres to hunt.



If the deer on your property are willing to go from your property to a war zone next door, then you're not doing something right that your neighbors are. Figure out what they're doing right that you aren't, and correct the problem. We have a war zone on both sides of our club, and we have a great deer population. I have an 80 acre piece of property in south Monroe County that I hunt that has brown-it's-down shooters on all 4 sides of it, and that little piece of property holds a lot of deer. Why? Because it's not pressured, and I've managed it to have ample bedding and food, with low pressure. I have two food plots on the property, and it's common to see 10-15 deer on a plot in an afternoon. I'm not an expert by any means, just use common sense.

The greatest control is self control. Trigger management works both ways. The problem is not the rules set forth. The problem is no communication, no self control, ignorance, and immaturity. Before you can reach goals you have to set them and abide by the means to reach them. If we had more involvement and communication across property lines. We would all have a more mindset. We need as hunters to position collectively and develop co-ops that meet like minded needs. Just my 2 cents.

Excellent post . . . . . . . I let a 3-1/2 year old 8 point walk today, best feeling in the world. I've been huntin' almost 40 years now, it ain't always about the killin', took me a little while to realize that. I encourage all our good aldeer members to try.

Work together..... nonsens!

i don't need to work with any one , i'm doing fine on my own

Yea, that's the attitude to have

have you looked at my cam pictures on my home page

And ?????

point is i don't need the state .

i mean having more deer aint that hard of a thing . it just takes a little work and trigger control . why do some have to have a nanny holding their hand ????

I'd like to see it go to one buck a year or at least a size limit and mandatory game check with all of the processors on board.

Frankie how about trying to tell that to my neighbors....I would appreciate it

Smart post from a smart poster!

I believe it was my first year on here back in 2002 that Mr. Coffee posted some of the best advice I've gotten related to deer management - Never buy a bag of seed with a picture of a deer on it.

So I guess I've been involved in these same arguments for at least 13 years now. Many of the posters from those days have given up and moved on, but some of us keep at it.

I was also happy with the status quo imposed during the days of Charles Kelley, but thought if we just had to do something, then the Barbour Co AR had already been proven to work well and could just be extended to other counties. Alas, it wasn't to be. Too many people wanted AL to be like other states, and so we are. Well, except for FL; they still allow 2 bucks a day. I have family that hunts near Paxton, and they used to come up and hunt with me in AL to have a chance at a decent buck. Now their hunting is vastly superior to mine, despite the liberal buck rules. Maybe the attitude of hunters is far more important than state rules? I dunno.

But I would really like to hear an answer to Mr. Coffee's question regarding the hunter survey vs. game check. I've never found out what Mr. Coffee's profession is, but I've always suspected he did something that required an advanced degree, and that means he's had at least one graduate level class in statistics. He would understand that the hunter survey using a random sample is gonna be far more accurate than a voluntary game check can ever hope to be. Anyone with any knowledge of statistics would understand this. I'd love to see somebody make a science-based defense of a voluntary game check. Any takers?

Happy New Year to all!