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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:27 PM
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Can't they get on the management program? They shouldn't have to join a state program to manage their property as they see fit. Hunterbuck wins!
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
[Re: bigt]
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12/30/14 03:29 PM
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mike35549
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@ Surefire: I say QUIT F8CKING WITH IT. Manage your ground and I'll manage mine. Bingo. If you feel like your neighbors are having a negative impact on your deer herd, then you're not doing something right. That is not necessarily a true statement..... It is not true for most people that hunt there own property.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:30 PM
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I love these threads the I don't want any restrictions let me manage my deer the way I want, I wonder how many of those folks have a 10' fence around there property because if not they are not your deer. On the other end is the lets just kill 1 buck per person with 2 weeks of gun season there is no way you can kill enough deer in 2 weeks in AL to control the population. As usual the people with a little common sense prevail and we are somewhere in the middle.
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:30 PM
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How can one persons opinion upset some of ya'll so bad?
I had much rather be tried by twelve than carried to my grave by six!!!!
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:35 PM
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There are as many MATURE bucks in AL's population as any other state. Having hunted a couple of Midwestern states several times, there are no more mature deer to see and hunt than there are here. I'd actually be willing to bet if you looked at the population as a whole in our state vs most Midwestern states we would have a higher number of mature bucks. They have lower populations, a much higher winter mortality, and their annual harvests, just like what jlcoffee posted, has an incredibly high number of immature deer killed. AL does not produce HUGE deer like the Midwest, and it never will, regardless of antler regs, or annual bag limits. It's just a FACT.
The three buck limit is doing what it was intended to do. It's allowing more bucks to enter the population, resulting in more mature bucks, lowering antlered deer harvests, and increasing antlerless harvests. It has been a great thing from the areas I am familiar with. Decreasing the antlered bag limit is not going to happen. Limiting people to 2 does is almost borderline absurd.
I'm really at a loss for words. Everybody wants the state to change something for them, yet you see from the voluntary gamecheck system that people are not participating in letting us biologist know what is going on. If you aren't calling in your deer, then you shouldn't have a say. Kind of like voting. If you don't vote, your opinion on the matter is invalid.
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:36 PM
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@ Surefire: I say QUIT F8CKING WITH IT. Manage your ground and I'll manage mine. Bingo. If you feel like your neighbors are having a negative impact on your deer herd, then you're not doing something right. That is not necessarily a true statement..... It is not true for most people that hunt there own property. That is why I posted it. I have 96 acres that used to be great hunting until landowners changed around me. I have killed a grand total of one deer off of it in a decade. The new neighbors took the liberal does limits to heart all the while shooting any legal buck also and ruined a good hunting place.
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:37 PM
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I love these threads the I don't want any restrictions let me manage my deer the way I want, I wonder how many of those folks have a 10' fence around there property because if not they are not your deer. On the other end is the lets just kill 1 buck per person with 2 weeks of gun season there is no way you can kill enough deer in 2 weeks in AL to control the population. As usual the people with a little common sense prevail and we are somewhere in the middle. ^^^^^ this
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:37 PM
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What does everyone think the limit should be overall including season length . I think 2 buck and 2 doe. Season stays the same length but archery only untill January . What say you?? I like the 2 doe a day. "They" should have left Jackson Co. alone at 2 does a day! Couple of farmers have already told me, if the state don't want them killed in the fall, we'll do it in the summer. And I know several that will. Why can't DCNR leave US the hell alone?! They are supposed to be educated down in Montgomery they sure as hell don't act like it. They had NA set up in zones with areas that needed more killed with a larger bag limit, and areas with smaller herds less. Didn't even give it a chance. Painted the whole state with the same brush.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:40 PM
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There are as many MATURE bucks in AL's population as any other state. Having hunted a couple of Midwestern states several times, there are no more mature deer to see and hunt than there are here. I'd actually be willing to bet if you looked at the population as a whole in our state vs most Midwestern states we would have a higher number of mature bucks. They have lower populations, a much higher winter mortality, and their annual harvests, just like what jlcoffee posted, has an incredibly high number of immature deer killed. AL does not produce HUGE deer like the Midwest, and it never will, regardless of antler regs, or annual bag limits. It's just a FACT.
The three buck limit is doing what it was intended to do. It's allowing more bucks to enter the population, resulting in more mature bucks, lowering antlered deer harvests, and increasing antlerless harvests. It has been a great thing from the areas I am familiar with. Decreasing the antlered bag limit is not going to happen. Limiting people to 2 does is almost borderline absurd.
I'm really at a loss for words. Everybody wants the state to change something for them, yet you see from the voluntary gamecheck system that people are not participating in letting us biologist know what is going on. If you aren't calling in your deer, then you shouldn't have a say. Kind of like voting. If you don't vote, your opinion on the matter is invalid. I called mine in last year and this year
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:42 PM
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How can one persons opinion upset some of ya'll so bad? Well it was probably more than one person, but some person or persons got the whole damn state changed. The area biologist told me there was no call from hunters for reducing the limit in Jackson Co. from 2 a day to 1. He also said he would not have recommended it. But it got changed anyway.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:49 PM
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Couple of farmers have already told me, if the state don't want them killed in the fall, we'll do it in the summer. And I know several that will. Hmmm
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 03:55 PM
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If you aren't calling in your deer, then you shouldn't have a say. Kind of like voting. If you don't vote, your opinion on the matter is invalid. I voted....and lost... I'm against ObamaCare... I lost there too.... Problem is...people don't trust the process...so of course they dont wanna participate...
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 04:03 PM
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Couple of farmers have already told me, if the state don't want them killed in the fall, we'll do it in the summer. And I know several that will. Hmmm Don't jump to convulsions, they get depredation permits. Were getting them when the limit was 2 a day, just sayin'.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 04:11 PM
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but There is no reason you need 20 Says who? You? How and why? If I have 3,000 or 5,000 acres and believe I need to kill 20 bucks, and I don't want to bring in five other hunters to fill their 'tags,' then I damn sure shouldn't be told by anyone what I "need" to be doing on my land. I currently hunt on some land on which my cameras have taken photos of bucks with truly messed-up antlers. I have photos of multiple bucks with screwed-up antlers. It's not just one or two. I've talked with hunters in the area who have seen similar bucks. I'd like to shoot every damned one of them but because of our "tag" and requirements, I cannot. Legally, of course. And I realize that buck genes are only half the equation so that means some does probably need to be whacked. Yet with some folks saying "Oh, you don't need to shoot more than X-number of deer a season!" and getting that BS pushed through that affects private landowners, it can and does have an effect on people who might genuinely need to do something. Which means you can hunt legally and keep having problems or violate the laws/regs to get done what you need to get done. don't be too hard on the youngster, remember this was cooks justification for the new limit because it was " biologically unsound to allow a hunter to harvest 120 bucks a year" and his remarks were defended by our resident buck limit committe member.
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 04:14 PM
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Couple of farmers have already told me, if the state don't want them killed in the fall, we'll do it in the summer. And I know several that will. Hmmm Don't jump to convulsions, they get depredation permits. Were getting them when the limit was 2 a day, just sayin'. Those aren't guaranteed either... Some folks get them that don't need them IMO. Those guys may, I can't say. I know I get complaints about farmers shooting deer in areas where it isn't justified...
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Re: Spin off from 3 buck limit thread....
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12/30/14 06:03 PM
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Dropping to 1 doe/day is hurting some folks. Not anybody I know...can you explain...unless its processors that jumped in over their heads
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