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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: doekiller]
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12/21/14 05:20 AM
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I can set you up with a trust. I have done so for many members on this site. Good deal. Gonna see my brother soon and will decide what to do. Thanks man,
If your decoy doesnt have holes in it, your not letting him get close enough... J.H.
"Life lessons are almost never found where you think they should be, sometimes they're in the middle of a small, muddy creek in the woods with steep banks"... DeadorAlive
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: BPS]
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12/21/14 05:53 AM
12/21/14 05:53 AM
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Chelsea, AL
josht101
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My brother and I are tossing around the idea getting a trust on some suppressors for our rifles. I have to admit I'm a little confused on how this all works. Based on the previous post, I'm not going to be able to put a suppressor on a 270, shoot normal velocity ammo and expect ANY difference with the noise? Not sure if they even make sub sonic 270's because they are so fast. I guess the question is does it make any difference at all, sound wise, putting a suppressor on a high velocity rifle and shooting normal velocity rounds? Also lets say I find some sub sonic rounds for anything, how much velocity and energy do I lose? Not that I would ever take one but would I still be able to do major damage on an animal at 400-800yds? You will still get a large decrease in sound over standard velocity rounds. They are still worth buying. If you want as close to Hollywood quiet as possible you will need either a 300blk or .308 to shoot heavy sub sonics. The 270 will shoot subsonics but your energy shooting subsonic comes from bullet weight since your velocity is limited to around 1050fps. With a 308/300 you can shoot up to a 240gr and have it stabilize. With a 270 it's hard to get over 150gr. Beauty of it is if you buy a 30 cal can you can shoot it on anything smaller including your 270. So the way to go would be to get a 30cal suppressor so that I have the option to put it on dang near any hunting rifle or a 223? Do you lose anything putting a bigger bore suppressor on a smaller caliber? Just doing the physics in my head, I would think that a 30cal suppressor threaded on a 223 would allow some of the gasses controled by the suppressor to escape past the suppressor itself? I'm asking this because I do have a 30 caliber rifle but thats not what I intended to install it on. But I may change my mind in the future and wouldnt have to do anything but thread the barrel. Obviously I know very little about these things.  You do lose a little bit with putting it on a smaller caliber but you normally make up for it because the 30 cal can is normally longer. Obviously caliber specific is a better fit but not a practical option. If you shoot 5.56 suppressed a lot then you might consider buying a 5.56 can. And doekiller set up my trust for me. There are cheaper options for trusts but it was the simplest for me.
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: josht101]
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12/21/14 06:59 AM
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My brother and I are tossing around the idea getting a trust on some suppressors for our rifles. I have to admit I'm a little confused on how this all works. Based on the previous post, I'm not going to be able to put a suppressor on a 270, shoot normal velocity ammo and expect ANY difference with the noise? Not sure if they even make sub sonic 270's because they are so fast. I guess the question is does it make any difference at all, sound wise, putting a suppressor on a high velocity rifle and shooting normal velocity rounds? Also lets say I find some sub sonic rounds for anything, how much velocity and energy do I lose? Not that I would ever take one but would I still be able to do major damage on an animal at 400-800yds? Doekiller would be my route no doubt. I'm not very educate how it works so I would def be willing to pay someone to guide me through it. You will still get a large decrease in sound over standard velocity rounds. They are still worth buying. If you want as close to Hollywood quiet as possible you will need either a 300blk or .308 to shoot heavy sub sonics. The 270 will shoot subsonics but your energy shooting subsonic comes from bullet weight since your velocity is limited to around 1050fps. With a 308/300 you can shoot up to a 240gr and have it stabilize. With a 270 it's hard to get over 150gr. Beauty of it is if you buy a 30 cal can you can shoot it on anything smaller including your 270. So the way to go would be to get a 30cal suppressor so that I have the option to put it on dang near any hunting rifle or a 223? Do you lose anything putting a bigger bore suppressor on a smaller caliber? Just doing the physics in my head, I would think that a 30cal suppressor threaded on a 223 would allow some of the gasses controled by the suppressor to escape past the suppressor itself? I'm asking this because I do have a 30 caliber rifle but thats not what I intended to install it on. But I may change my mind in the future and wouldnt have to do anything but thread the barrel. Obviously I know very little about these things. You do lose a little bit with putting it on a smaller caliber but you normally make up for it because the 30 cal can is normally longer. Obviously caliber specific is a better fit but not a practical option. If you shoot 5.56 suppressed a lot then you might consider buying a 5.56 can. And doekiller set up my trust for me. There are cheaper options for trusts but it was the simplest for me.
If your decoy doesnt have holes in it, your not letting him get close enough... J.H.
"Life lessons are almost never found where you think they should be, sometimes they're in the middle of a small, muddy creek in the woods with steep banks"... DeadorAlive
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: paulfish4570]
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12/21/14 07:41 AM
12/21/14 07:41 AM
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Chelsea, AL
josht101
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so, does alabama allow hunting with a suppressed firearm? Yes as of this year
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: josht101]
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12/21/14 08:13 AM
12/21/14 08:13 AM
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Your mom’s house
doekiller
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My brother and I are tossing around the idea getting a trust on some suppressors for our rifles. I have to admit I'm a little confused on how this all works. Based on the previous post, I'm not going to be able to put a suppressor on a 270, shoot normal velocity ammo and expect ANY difference with the noise? Not sure if they even make sub sonic 270's because they are so fast. I guess the question is does it make any difference at all, sound wise, putting a suppressor on a high velocity rifle and shooting normal velocity rounds? Also lets say I find some sub sonic rounds for anything, how much velocity and energy do I lose? Not that I would ever take one but would I still be able to do major damage on an animal at 400-800yds? You will still get a large decrease in sound over standard velocity rounds. They are still worth buying. If you want as close to Hollywood quiet as possible you will need either a 300blk or .308 to shoot heavy sub sonics. The 270 will shoot subsonics but your energy shooting subsonic comes from bullet weight since your velocity is limited to around 1050fps. With a 308/300 you can shoot up to a 240gr and have it stabilize. With a 270 it's hard to get over 150gr. Beauty of it is if you buy a 30 cal can you can shoot it on anything smaller including your 270. So the way to go would be to get a 30cal suppressor so that I have the option to put it on dang near any hunting rifle or a 223? Do you lose anything putting a bigger bore suppressor on a smaller caliber? Just doing the physics in my head, I would think that a 30cal suppressor threaded on a 223 would allow some of the gasses controled by the suppressor to escape past the suppressor itself? I'm asking this because I do have a 30 caliber rifle but thats not what I intended to install it on. But I may change my mind in the future and wouldnt have to do anything but thread the barrel. Obviously I know very little about these things. You do lose a little bit with putting it on a smaller caliber but you normally make up for it because the 30 cal can is normally longer. Obviously caliber specific is a better fit but not a practical option. If you shoot 5.56 suppressed a lot then you might consider buying a 5.56 can. And doekiller set up my trust for me. There are cheaper options for trusts but it was the simplest for me. Thanks for the plug. If anyone wants to know about a NFA trust, send me a PM and we can discuss it. I have done close to 200 of them now.
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: goodwood]
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12/21/14 04:14 PM
12/21/14 04:14 PM
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Rickybobby
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Quality can't control a bullet after it leaves the barrel. You obviously have no concept of physics. And when you say tested you really mean youtube'd.
Suppressors are not going to do what you see in movies.
At times my ambition far exceeds my talent.
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: Rickybobby]
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12/21/14 05:30 PM
12/21/14 05:30 PM
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North Alabama
Wiley Coyote
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Suppressors are not going to do what you see in movies.
100% correct. Hollywood quiet does NOT exist in the real world. Having been in the game for a few years now I can tell you that regardless of the caliber, if the bullet reaches supersonic speed you WILL have supersonic 'crack' when it breaks the sound barrier (anything over about 1050fps at sea level). What you WILL experience with suppressors is the total lack of muzzle blast with most any suppressor. Beyond that is the science of the baffle construction/orientation is critical as to the reduction of the sound signature as heard by the human ear. The current crop of top shelf suppressors are quite amazing in he level of suppression vs the size of the suppressor. All you could ever want to know is right here... http://www.silencertests.com/forum/index.php?sid=ca2d051b5178942a32d8f6f40cc763ad
Last edited by Wiley Coyote; 12/21/14 05:30 PM.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: goodwood]
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12/21/14 06:39 PM
12/21/14 06:39 PM
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Orange Beach, Al
Rickybobby
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Thanks Wiley, I respect the advice you've given me on this subject in the past. It's always clear when someone has hands on experience with what they're talking about.
At times my ambition far exceeds my talent.
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: goodwood]
#1195284
12/21/14 08:18 PM
12/21/14 08:18 PM
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I was at a gun store a couple of weeks ago and a guy there was talking about how the govt will probably remove supressors from the nfa list this year. Has anyone heard anything to back that up?
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: Tidewins]
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12/22/14 01:10 AM
12/22/14 01:10 AM
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North Alabama
Wiley Coyote
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I was at a gun store a couple of weeks ago and a guy there was talking about how the govt will probably remove supressors from the nfl list this year. Has anyone heard anything to back that up? Never gonna happen. Too much money would be lost AND I believe congress would have to decide this anyway.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: goodwood]
#1197083
12/23/14 11:39 AM
12/23/14 11:39 AM
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Chelsea, AL
josht101
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so these guys at CS custom machine do custom build suppression rifles ? any one know? You do know that it isn't normal to build a suppressed barrel rifle. Most people buy a suppressor that attaches to end of barrel wether it be a threaded or quick detach mount. This situation allows you to use 1 suppressor on multiple guns. All that has to be done to use your current rifle with a suppressor is to have barrel threaded. I spoke with the guys at CS Custom and they do build their own suppressors. I do not know if they build integrated suppressors or not though.
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: goodwood]
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12/23/14 12:24 PM
12/23/14 12:24 PM
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Wiley Coyote
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I really hate to knock a business that's new in the suppressor market BUT there are a good many small operators out there that build suppressors that just do not do the job they should. The top manufacturers have done the background science on sound suppression and only after much trial and error did they put a product on the market. I'll never spend my money on a Class 3 item that isn't top quality AND field tested/proven to be top notch. You'll get the same wait time and same $200 expense of the tax stamp no matter what you buy. There is no real market for used suppressors so if you save $250 on one from Billybob's Machine and Bait Shop/Massage Parlor and then hate it you're stuck with it. If you buy a top line product you'll have many years of enjoyable shooting and excellent service if it's ever needed. YMWNV
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: SUPPRESSION RIFLES
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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12/23/14 12:27 PM
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Chelsea, AL
josht101
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I really hate to knock a business that's new in the suppressor market BUT there are a good many small operators out there that build suppressors that just do not do the job they should. The top manufacturers have done the background science on sound suppression and only after much trial and error did they put a product on the market. I'll never spend my money on a Class 3 item that isn't top quality AND field tested/proven to be top notch. You'll get the same wait time and same $200 expense of the tax stamp no matter what you buy. There is no real market for used suppressors so if you save $250 on one from Billybob's Machine and Bait Shop/Massage Parlor and then hate it you're stuck with it. If you buy a top line product you'll have many years of enjoyable shooting and excellent service if it's ever needed. YMWNV Excellent point
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