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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: timbercruiser] #1168478
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
I never have understood the idea that killing coyotes or a coyote doesn't make any difference to the coyote population, over my pay grade I guess. Makes me feel better anyway.


Did you not learn about "population dynamics" while you were in forestry school? I believe it was taught in the class called "Principles of Wildlife Management".


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But if you have two coyotes and you kill both of them, then you have zero coyotes........right?

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No, it's like deer, the more you shoot the more there are. That's why you have to shoot more does not less. Understand now? Killing things does not make less of them. New math.

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Originally Posted By: charlie
No, it's like deer, the more you shoot the more there are. That's why you have to shoot more does not less. Understand now? Killing things does not make less of them. New math.


I have had several people supposedly educated people tell me that exact thing. If you kill more does you will have more deer, and I didn't believe it then and I still don't.


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damn new math....

If one kills 50% of the yotes in an area in June there sure as all hell won't be an increase to pre killing numbers before the fawns are grown. You just have to keep killing them....


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1168677
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I've killed so many damn yotes last season and this season so far I lost count. I don't even call or anything, I have this one field surrounded by swampy area I call the predator field. Coyotes and Bobcats LOVE this area. I just sit on the berm of the reservoir and wait lol, I'm actually sitting here right now. Giving the hunt for killer a days rest. I saw four yotes in this field the other evening coming out of the woods, too far/ dark for a shot.

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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: mike35549] #1168681
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Originally Posted By: mike35549
Originally Posted By: charlie
No, it's like deer, the more you shoot the more there are. That's why you have to shoot more does not less. Understand now? Killing things does not make less of them. New math.


I have had several people supposedly educated people tell me that exact thing. If you kill more does you will have more deer, and I didn't believe it then and I still don't.

Yea I don't know how that works supposedly if you thin the herd it gives the deer more food in that area so they can reach their full potential. Still don't see how that creates more deer haha. I just rarely ever shoot does.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: timbercruiser] #1168714
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
But if you have two coyotes and you kill both of them, then you have zero coyotes........right?


If you had two coyotes in a pen and shot then both then yes, you have zero coyotes. But you don’t have yotes in a pen. You don’t have 800 acres of coyotes or 1,000 acres of yotes or however big each person’s land may be. Coyote populations exist on a landscape scale. If you look at the Savannah River Study….they killed a yote over 200 miles from where it had been trapped and tagged.

Deer populations and coyote populations do not function in the same manner. One is a predator species and one is a prey species. Also, deer have singletons and twins while yotes have litters. Predator populations are driven by the amount of competition for available food. Let’s say there is a ton of food and only a few yotes. Those few yotes will have all they want to eat. Hunting success rates will be high because of the high amount of food and low amount of competition. In turn litters will be bigger and survival rates will be higher amongst the existing yotes. That is until the coyote population grows and reaches a density that competition for food becomes more intense. When coyote populations begin to grow then the amount of food available to each yote becomes less and the hunting success rate becomes less. This results in smaller litters and lower survival rates. Removing yotes at this point only increases the success rate of the remaining yotes. If you remove all the yotes from your property, then the surrounding yotes are just going to move in to the area where there is no competition for food.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: mike35549] #1168720
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Originally Posted By: mike35549
Originally Posted By: charlie
No, it's like deer, the more you shoot the more there are. That's why you have to shoot more does not less. Understand now? Killing things does not make less of them. New math.


I have had several people supposedly educated people tell me that exact thing. If you kill more does you will have more deer, and I didn't believe it then and I still don't.


Never heard this.


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That's a theory. They are no different than anything else though. You kill enough of them the population goes down. It makes no sense to throw your hands up and say" nothing I can do, the more I kill the more pups they will have or more will move in.". It's an ongoing process like everything else in nature. You can control numbers if you kill, trap, whatever, as long as you keep at it it makes an impact.

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Dang, them yotes were hungry. You need to feed them more often.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: CNC] #1168751
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Originally Posted By: CNC
If you remove all the yotes from your property, then the surrounding yotes are just going to move in to the area where there is no competition for food.


When more come in, one can still kill and trap those as well. Further decreaseing the population.
One thing I know for sure is that every one I kill, is one that will not eat any more fawns, turkeys, rabbits, or squirrels.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1168769
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I see you guys have it all figured out already. Carry on.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1168824
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This has been studied and proven. It's not a theory or even debatable. If your only method of population control is hunting them then numbers will stay static or even increase because instead of the Alpha male being the primary breeder the juveniles( who are usually not involved in breeding ) will start to breed. This increases conception rates. More bred females means more coyotes. Shoot all you like but you aren't going to decrease the population.


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Need to give them all a dose of parvo.


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Agree with Bill, heavy trapping is the best and proven method


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1168877
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I know a club several years ago put out Temek as a way of eliminating their yotes. They killed every yote for miles around and got rid of them. It took about two years before they ever saw another one. I do not want anyone to think I am in approval of putting out Temek because I am not, but when they killed their pack out, they were out of yotes. I guess the new recruits fed on animals poisoned and also met their demise. Long story short, they killed them out and their deer numbers rose. They even left deer over night that had been wounded and never had yotes get one. Kill them all and then there will be none.


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I still remember a club that did that and had to buy some expensive coon dogs.


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Originally Posted By: Teacher One
I know a club several years ago put out Temek as a way of eliminating their yotes. They killed every yote for miles around and got rid of them. It took about two years before they ever saw another one. I do not want anyone to think I am in approval of putting out Temek because I am not, but when they killed their pack out, they were out of yotes. I guess the new recruits fed on animals poisoned and also met their demise. Long story short, they killed them out and their deer numbers rose. They even left deer over night that had been wounded and never had yotes get one. Kill them all and then there will be none.


Careful Teacher. These boys on here don't like the poisoning thing. slap

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