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Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: olechris] #1138069
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Just curious, if you trap a group of hogs in a large trap, castrate the boars in the trap, feed and water the hogs in the pen area, at any time can they be considered as not wild?

Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: olechris] #1138076
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In short no.

Once wild always wild until dead.

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Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: Hunthard] #1138078
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Originally Posted By: Hunthard
71.19 Identification of swine in interstate
commerce. It states it pretty clearly here. You can't legally transport feral hogs because they have to be marked is some way form or fashion that is recorded by the state. That is how you can tell the difference between domesticated and wild. Of course you can try to mark them illegally and run them that way but then you are breaking another law, a federal one in that case.


hey dummy, transporting down Interstate I-20 dosen't make it INTERSTATE transportation UNLESS ya cross a state line....LOL, thats some funny chitt.


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Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: Hogwild] #1138079
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The same thing could be said about any law. Dont we change and re-write laws as times pass??? Those how will be Outlaws will continue to do so. All this does is give the LAW another tool to catch those trying to move and introduce hogs into other places.

Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: NightHunter] #1138080
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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
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I didn't grow up on a hog farm but I hunted on one and my grandfather raised them so I've spent more time around those parlors than I ever care to admit. Anyone who mistakes farm grown pork for a feral hog is a MORON!

Seeing it speed by at 65 mph maybe but walking up and looking there will be no doubt.


so give me the definitive court proof way of PROVING a hog is wild trapped vs bought from a person who is raising hogs from feral looking stock......and selling them legally.

saying "oh yeah, that one is a wild trapped feral hog" and PROVING it in a court of law are two different things.....


As long as it takes court cases to play out, a simple DNA test would be easy. Heck in some areas they use these tests to estimate population size and diversity.


all DNA test will prove is that the pigs come from feral stock, or from pigs raised on a farm that used feral pigs for starters, it damn sure won't PROVE where/when the pigs came from.....


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Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: shooters] #1138081
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Originally Posted By: shooters
Doesnt matter if it is a "feel good law". Its is desigined to stop the spread of wild hogs, by the method of trainsporting them to other areas. Outlaws will allways look for and complain about laws. Some will even " what if them" to death. Transporting live Wild Hogs is illegal. I and MANY other wish we could get ride of all of them. Many people want them legitimized as a sport and/or a game aniamal, but i personal beleive they are a nusiance. The law is here to TRY to protect us from the spread of wild hogs. The what ifs, should be left to GWs and the judges to decide the final verdic. So I quess if you are hauling around a bunch of hogs, you better have = ear tags, proper paper work, bill of sale, OR be able to convince someone that they are NOT wild! Seams pretty simple to me! thumbup


there ain't no tags or paperwork required to move hogs from Demopolis to Bham.....


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Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: BhamFred] #1138085
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: Hunthard
71.19 Identification of swine in interstate
commerce. It states it pretty clearly here. You can't legally transport feral hogs because they have to be marked is some way form or fashion that is recorded by the state. That is how you can tell the difference between domesticated and wild. Of course you can try to mark them illegally and run them that way but then you are breaking another law, a federal one in that case.


hey dummy, transporting down Interstate I-20 dosen't make it INTERSTATE transportation UNLESS ya cross a state line....LOL, thats some funny chitt.


Sure it does Paw Paw. It's being transported on the interstate slap

Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: olechris] #1138088
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is that Interstate or interstate?????


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Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: olechris] #1138091
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Shooter, for someone that likes his guns and freedom to shoot and hunt, you sure do seem to have a lot of trust in the government passing laws to try and protect us from ourselves and giving them more regulatory power over us. There is rarely a good reason to change any of.the laws we have to be more restrictive. Enforce the laws on the books and stop encroaching on my freedom in the name of making it easier to protect me from the criminals that will break the new law as easily as the old.

Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: olechris] #1138095
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You did this a longer than I have but I didn't read anything in the reg about not moving feral hogs from a pen that were started from feral swine.

Feral swine on a truck being moved from original source that may have been grandfathered in will not go well regardless of the argument. At that point it is feral swine being transported, which is not legal.

I agree, you may get a pass if they stay in the original containment area but not once they begin to be transported.

Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: charlie] #1138098
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Originally Posted By: charlie
Shooter, for someone that likes his guns and freedom to shoot and hunt, you sure do seem to have a lot of trust in the government passing laws to try and protect us from ourselves and giving them more regulatory power over us. There is rarely a good reason to change any of.the laws we have to be more restrictive. Enforce the laws on the books and stop encroaching on my freedom in the name of making it easier to protect me from the criminals that will break the new law as easily as the old.
I HATE hogs. All this whiney crap is, is a way for people=hog lovers to spread wild hogs to places they are not already. I do agree with this law. That does not mean I beleive in every law. If YOUR freedom encroches on MY freedom, then you can bet your ass Im going to speak out against it! Some of us= most of us dont want hogs spread all over the state. I like the fact that you cant transport "Feral Hogs" all over Alabama. If you want hogs thats your bussiness, but I will CONTINUE to voice my opinion against them! thumbup

Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: BayedUp] #1138102
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Originally Posted By: BayedUp
Because it was to easy and simple the other way. And too many people started blaming hogs multiplying and spreading on people transporting and releasing them.


Hogs were first introduced to the Americas about 600 years ago. The vast majority of their newly acquired territory has been accomplished via man. They dang sure didn't just decide 20-30 years ago to start migrating all over the country.

Almost everywhere I get hog work I get told who brought them to the area and when. I have even had a couple of guys admit they were the guilty party and they just didn't know what a stupid thing it was to do it.


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Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: NightHunter] #1138104
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And too many people started blaming hogs multiplying and spreading on people transporting and releasing them.


And with good reason. They were doing it. I'm just a nobody hick in a little one red light town and I personally knew of 4 different groups of hog hunters that were catching and releasing them in different areas. If I knew of that many people doing it just in my little tiny corner of Alabama then I'll go out on a limb and say it must have been a pretty common thing.


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Re: "Transporting live wild hogs" [Re: olechris] #1138379
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Only reason I brought it up is because the question was asked......

But, since people want to be argumentative........at what point does a breeding pair of registered domestic hogs become 'wild' and identifiable as 'feral'? What about their offspring??? What DNA tests would determine their origin.....much less the intent of the person Transporting?

Some things are better left alone.

And, maybe this is another reason for the rivalry between AU and UA.........Biologists vs Lawyers?? LOL

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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
Originally Posted By: BayedUp
Because it was to easy and simple the other way. And too many people started blaming hogs multiplying and spreading on people transporting and releasing them.


Hogs were first introduced to the Americas about 600 years ago. The vast majority of their newly acquired territory has been accomplished via man. They dang sure didn't just decide 20-30 years ago to start migrating all over the country.

Almost everywhere I get hog work I get told who brought them to the area and when. I have even had a couple of guys admit they were the guilty party and they just didn't know what a stupid thing it was to do it.


So......at what point were they prosecuted and EXACTLY how is the new Rule preventing it???

Because it was against the Law WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before this new Rule hit the Books!!!!!

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I doubt the DCNR can prosecute years after the fact just on hearsay.


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I agree....

BUT, the simple TRUTH is that the Law has NOT been actively enforced.

And, all of us 'involved' with the situation KNOW that. Some just will not admit that and somehow think that a 'new' Rule will solve all the problems.

Just a fact. Not trying to be an a$$! smile

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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
at what point does a breeding pair of registered domestic hogs become 'wild' and identifiable as 'feral'?


I follow you on this one...

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Guys.....I really WISH I had an answer.

But, I don't! Simple as that!

I do know that if I were compelled to.....I could get in my truck, go empty a load of hogs out of a trap into a trailer and haul them anywhere I wished with ZERO fear of being caught.

The FEAR of being caught and the severity of the penalty is the ONLY deterrent. There is not enough ink to put enough 'words' on paper to do anything about it!

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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
much less the intent of the person Transporting?



Intent isn't hard to prove if you give them time...

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