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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: NightHunter]
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10/30/14 07:40 AM
10/30/14 07:40 AM
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I know you know what we have going on around here and that its not natural or hunter caused mortality. You do understand the concept of additive mortality though, right? If you perceive a decline in the population yourself for whatever reason but hunters continue to shoot hens, surely you see that it could cause an issue over the long term... Yep I understand 100%, when we had tons of birds, I killed 2 in 1 fall season. A couple years later all the birds simple disappeared, it happened here, wayne, county, and Giles where yekruts place is. Now I hunt in Lewis and Murray co.
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: Rockhound]
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10/30/14 09:12 AM
10/30/14 09:12 AM
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AU coonhunter
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I know you know what we have going on around here and that its not natural or hunter caused mortality. You do understand the concept of additive mortality though, right? If you perceive a decline in the population yourself for whatever reason but hunters continue to shoot hens, surely you see that it could cause an issue over the long term... Yep I understand 100%, when we had tons of birds, I killed 2 in 1 fall season. A couple years later all the birds simple disappeared, it happened here, wayne, county, and Giles where yekruts place is. Now I hunt in Lewis and Murray co. And given time, I bet Lewis and Murray will see a decline. It may not be as bad as what Giles and Wayne has been, but their populations do cycle.
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: BrentM]
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10/30/14 09:43 AM
10/30/14 09:43 AM
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NightHunter
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Everywhere is seeing some of the same thing. Lots of work being done on turkeys from here to Missouri.
Last edited by NightHunter; 10/30/14 09:44 AM.
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: AU coonhunter]
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10/30/14 01:34 PM
10/30/14 01:34 PM
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I know you know what we have going on around here and that its not natural or hunter caused mortality. You do understand the concept of additive mortality though, right? If you perceive a decline in the population yourself for whatever reason but hunters continue to shoot hens, surely you see that it could cause an issue over the long term... Yep I understand 100%, when we had tons of birds, I killed 2 in 1 fall season. A couple years later all the birds simple disappeared, it happened here, wayne, county, and Giles where yekruts place is. Now I hunt in Lewis and Murray co. And given time, I bet Lewis and Murray will see a decline. It may not be as bad as what Giles and Wayne has been, but their populations do cycle. Yep I agree especially around management areas
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: BrentM]
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10/30/14 02:16 PM
10/30/14 02:16 PM
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We have to quit talking about what once was. I get sick to my stomach and start dry heaving.
Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters. —Archibald Rutledge—
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: YEKRUT]
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10/31/14 04:57 AM
10/31/14 04:57 AM
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We have to quit talking about what once was. I get sick to my stomach and start dry heaving. You think it was natural yek?
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: BhamFred]
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10/31/14 07:35 AM
10/31/14 07:35 AM
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bunchofhenkillingbastages........ the old man that taught me turkey hunting would crawl out of his grave and break both my legs for shooting hens..... Same here...
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: Rockhound]
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10/31/14 10:01 AM
10/31/14 10:01 AM
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We have to quit talking about what once was. I get sick to my stomach and start dry heaving. You think it was natural yek? No. Natural would be a gradual decline I would think..... Not one year they are here the next they are not.
Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters. —Archibald Rutledge—
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: YEKRUT]
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10/31/14 11:08 AM
10/31/14 11:08 AM
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We have to quit talking about what once was. I get sick to my stomach and start dry heaving. You think it was natural yek? No. Natural would be a gradual decline I would think..... Not one year they are here the next they are not. My thoughts exactly.
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: Rockhound]
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10/31/14 02:26 PM
10/31/14 02:26 PM
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We have to quit talking about what once was. I get sick to my stomach and start dry heaving. You think it was natural yek? No. Natural would be a gradual decline I would think..... Not one year they are here the next they are not. My thoughts exactly. And I guess I should add, 8 years later it is still as bad as it was the first year. They don't seem to be repopulating. When they stocked my area originally they boomed in 5 years max and it just got better and better each year. Birds upon every road, every field had a strutter, wasn't anything to hear 18-20 on the limb. Now if you go and hear one you had a good day. I'm looking for places north of where I am but haven't had any luck. They have been hammering them harder in the counties north of me with everyone moving into those counties from the desolate areas and they just keep setting harvest records. It just doesn't add up.
Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters. —Archibald Rutledge—
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: AU coonhunter]
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11/04/14 04:14 PM
11/04/14 04:14 PM
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demp17
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And TWRA wonders why the turkey numbers are down in Southern TN lol. Fall hunting didn't kill off out population, I don't know what did. I'd wager More turkeys die buy barred owls in the summer and fall than what gets kiled by hunters. There was sarcasm in there. The first turkeys I ever killed was courtesy of the first Giles County fall hunt. Sorry I never even looked at the username, I know you know what we have going on around here and that its not natural or hunter caused mortality. So what is it then? I really think it is just population cycles. We had ten or so years with great numbers, and now we are at the bottom of the cycle. If a major disease outbreak had came through I think that someone would have found piles of dead birds, or at least the reminants. We all just got used to the big numbers, but hopefully this is the bottom of the cycle and numbers will start to improve and level out to normal numbers. We may never see the numbers we have had in the past though. Might be on to something here, my buddys club hired a trapper to come out to run traps for a few weeks. 3 weeks later 61 coyotes and 13 bobcats were caught. He lost count of the coons he caught. Wildlife biologist said they are starting to think this may be part of the problem in the turkey decline. This was in one of those southern counties. I didn't even bother with going to my in laws farm last year. That place has fell off the map for turkey population in the last 5 years.
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: BrentM]
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11/04/14 04:33 PM
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Brent, we all thought the same thing, but there is no way to trap off as many birds as we had and no one know about it. My places are big enough that the birds probably rarely ever had to leave them and I know that they didn't trap on us. I am pretty good friends with a couple of the higher ups in TN and they gave me dates on the last trapping done within 5 counties of me at the time and it was years before since they had trapped any out. I believe those guys on that part. We never kill yotes, don't see them, don't even hear them like we did years ago growing up. If I see a yote a year up there I am doing good. I wish I had a good idea, but the more I study it, hear others talk, the more confused I get. A die off is all I can make myself believe. Disease, poison, something that spread like the plague in the off season when most hunters were not in the woods to see the feathers. My winter flocks were 200+ on one farm, now they are 10-20 tops
Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters. —Archibald Rutledge—
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: BrentM]
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11/04/14 04:38 PM
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demp17
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Man I don't know Demp those turkeys fell off quick. If there were enough yotes all of the sudden to wipe out that many turkeys we would have been reading stories about them snatching toddlers off of folks porches A friend of mine who owns land on the Giles/Lincoln line swears to this day that the Tennessee DNR trapped a big winter flock of his turkeys and carried them off somewhere else. His place is coming back good now, but it took a bad hit about 5 years ago. ha ha dang baby snatching yotes. I ain't saying they did or they didnt. The WB said they think it may be part of the issue. He said they aren't finding that many birds with disease. The place is a 4k tract that was loaded with turkey but within the last 3 years it's hard just to hear one. My buddy said last year seemed to be better but still not a drop in the bucket to what it was. I had 10 gobblers on camera 4 years ago on my in laws and pics of 50ish birds on camera. Can't hear one to save my life now. Hope it turns back around so I can spoil my little boy to some fine Tennessee turkey hunting. Differnt buddy but I have a friend whose farm the DNR comes and traps birds for relocation.
Last edited by demp17; 11/04/14 04:39 PM.
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: BrentM]
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11/04/14 05:19 PM
11/04/14 05:19 PM
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YEKRUT
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They are having a meeting in limestone next week to ask the public for answers basically the same way they did in southern middle Tennessee last year. They finally see there is a problem here too. Surprise!
Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters. —Archibald Rutledge—
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Re: These people just ain't like us.......
[Re: YEKRUT]
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11/04/14 05:43 PM
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Brent, we all thought the same thing, but there is no way to trap off as many birds as we had and no one know about it. My places are big enough that the birds probably rarely ever had to leave them and I know that they didn't trap on us. I am pretty good friends with a couple of the higher ups in TN and they gave me dates on the last trapping done within 5 counties of me at the time and it was years before since they had trapped any out. I believe those guys on that part. We never kill yotes, don't see them, don't even hear them like we did years ago growing up. If I see a yote a year up there I am doing good. I wish I had a good idea, but the more I study it, hear others talk, the more confused I get. A die off is all I can make myself believe. Disease, poison, something that spread like the plague in the off season when most hunters were not in the woods to see the feathers. My winter flocks were 200+ on one farm, now they are 10-20 tops Everything that yekrut said here matches my thoughts, word for exact word! As far as coyotes, we hardly ever see one and get very few on trail camera. I never have seen a big population of predators. I'll have to be proved wrong to make me believe that it wasn't a disease or poison. If it's disease, it was chicken shucks. If it was poison, it was some sort of spray or fertilize. No way they could trap that many birds on the down low. This time 10 years ago, I could ride around and see 5-700 birds on any given day. I know one bottom that routinely held 300+ fall birds
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