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Food Plot Terminology
#1066798
09/04/14 05:59 PM
09/04/14 05:59 PM
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Just to clear things up a bit. If you are doing no-till plots you are using one these. Throw and mow is not "no-till" farming even though you aren't breaking ground. As Josh has so eloquently pointed out should be seed and mow
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 02:06 AM
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I have to disagree with you on this one NH. So does Ray in the first few seconds of this video. No-till is not about equipment, its about the understanding of the principles of soil health. Farmers who no-till sometimes use airplanes to overseed rye into standing crops. This is still "no-till" farming even though its not using that machine in your first pic. I don't think you have to use a drill to call it "no-till". I think its just what the name implies....not tilling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXCLVCJWTU
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We dont rent pigs
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 02:49 AM
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Just for the record I'm conventional tillage. No till no yield!
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 03:53 AM
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I think I know what I'm doing but thanks Blumsden.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 04:26 AM
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"The no-till operation continues to have higher yields on average. We have split a farm in half, tilling one side and no-tilling the other side...the side that was no-tilled raised 10 to 15 bushels more per acre than the tilled side.”http://notill.okstate.edu/publications/notillcroppingsystemsoklahoma/chapter06.pdf"Conventional tillage is not essential for high corn yields, says Tony Vyn, Purdue agronomist. He’s researched no-till corn for 33 years.“Your tillage system has less consequence for high yields than hybrid selection, optimum plant density and fertility levels.”http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/tillage/boost-profits-no-till-reducing-tillage-saves-25-30acreIn general, no-till treatments resulted in the same or higher yields than the conventional treatments (810 lb/ac vs. 637 lb/ac on average, respectively)http://lubbock.tamu.edu/files/2011/10/compareconventional05.pdf
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 05:04 AM
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Let me warn y'all of this. Data from Ohio or Midwest is useless in AL. Not all ground can be no tilled. I see after and help farmers make decisions on thousands of acres in N Al and no till is not suitable on every farm. Different soil structure, organic matter, compaction, CEC I can go on and on. Just be careful no tilling takes patience and mistakes WILL be made. Also there's not a darn thing wrong with tillage when done correctly.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 05:07 AM
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Okay, hate to get technical but notice I said FOOD PLOT. If any of you are aerial seeding your plots let me know I want to come video it. I was only comparing no-till (which implies use of no-till equipment) vs. seed and mow food ploting. Not any other practices. I understand that there is little to no tillage involved in either and hey maybe things are changing but until CNC OR blumsden called seed and mow, no-till on here, no one else did and I have dang sure never heard it in farming or plotting circles. Maybe I am the one that is wrong
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 05:38 AM
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Err body gets way too wound up about "food" plots anyway. It's not rocket science.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 05:42 AM
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I think I know what I'm doing but thanks Blumsden. Are you saying you tried it, and it didn't work for you? I'm saying there are certain things you can do to make sure it works. You said no-till, no yeild. I have great yeild, with no-till. I wasn't trying to be a smart a**, sorry if it came off that way.
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 05:43 AM
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Err body gets way too wound up about "food" plots anyway. It's not rocket science. Case in point...the post starting this thread. Seems the anti-"no-till" folks are as adamant about their process being better than the "no-till" folks. I say, go plant your food plots however the heck you want and with whatever equipment you have available to you!!
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 05:45 AM
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That's exactly what it boils down to.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 05:49 AM
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I would love to have a no-till drill, but i'm a food plotter, not a farmer, and i'm not about to spend thousands of dollars for a piece of equipment, that i would use sparingly. I found another way to do it. I used to disk all my fields, and had great plots. I no longer spend hours and hours disking fields, and i still have great food plots. This way, saves time and money, and also improves your soil. If you don't care about that, thats fine with me. I really, really don't care how anyone puts in their plots. Just offering an alternative.
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 06:11 AM
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Case in point...the post starting this thread. Seems the anti-"no-till" folks are as adamant about their process being better than the "no-till" folks.
Nope, my way is not better, just different. I actually do several acres of throw and mow every year and several acres of no-till and several acres of conventional tillage. It's like Matt said, in some soils some practices just does not work well. I am always excited to see food plot topics of any kind on here but especially no-till ones because not many folks do it. This dang sure wasn't meant to start a feud which way of doing food plots was best... They all work just fine. It's not like any of them are new.
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Re: Food Plot Terminology
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09/05/14 06:28 AM
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I would love to have a no-till drill, but i'm a food plotter, not a farmer, and i'm not about to spend thousands of dollars for a piece of equipment, that i would use sparingly. I found another way to do it. I used to disk all my fields, and had great plots. I no longer spend hours and hours disking fields, and i still have great food plots. This way, saves time and money, and also improves your soil. If you don't care about that, thats fine with me. I really, really don't care how anyone puts in their plots. Just offering an alternative. Y'all can be so aggressive and defensive about the topic of the "no-till" system. It's one thing to offer advice to people who are curious but it is as if y'all have an agenda to push. I think that is why people enjoy arguing with y'all so much about it because it is easy to get y'all stirred up.
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