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Food plot ?
#1050119
08/20/14 01:09 PM
08/20/14 01:09 PM
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We got 5 ag fields planted in peanuts. Thats gonna get picked first of oct. We plant food plots around edges. Was considering planting whole field in something. What would be the cheapest route. This is only for deer. And will be replanted for ag in spring. The edges will still be planted in our mix. Suggestions?
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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08/20/14 03:25 PM
08/20/14 03:25 PM
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Awbarn, AL
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The problem with using wheat is that you need to add plenty of nitrogen to it in order for it to thrive. Not adding N to wheat is about like trying to grow corn without adding any. So the wheat may only be $8-$9 a bag but the two bags of 34-0-0 that your going to have to add per acre is around $14 each....for a total of close to to $40 per acre. Its likely that its going to be yellow by Christmas too and you'll be adding more N or either just accepting that its yellowy for the rest of the year. Cereal rye does not require all of that N to grow....In fact its used by farmers as a cover crop after their cash crops for the very purpose of soaking up any leftover N and returning it their next crops. You can add N to cereal rye to speed up growth in order to keep up with browsing pressure but its not required to keep up from going yellow the way wheat does due to N deficiency. I'd suggest top sewing cereal rye before a rain.
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: CNC]
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08/20/14 03:32 PM
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The problem with using wheat is that you need to add plenty of nitrogen to it in order for it to thrive. Not adding N to wheat is about like trying to grow corn without adding any. So the wheat may only be $8-$9 a bag but the two bags of 34-0-0 that your going to have to add per acre is around $14 each....for a total of close to to $40 per acre. Its likely that its going to be yellow by Christmas too and you'll be adding more N or either just accepting that its yellowy for the rest of the year. Cereal rye does not require all of that N to grow....In fact its used by farmers as a cover crop after their cash crops for the very purpose of soaking up any leftover N and returning it their next crops. You can add N to cereal rye to speed up growth in order to keep up with browsing pressure but its not required to keep up from going yellow the way wheat does due to N deficiency. I'd suggest top sewing cereal rye before a rain. You don't think the peanuts put enough N in the soil for the wheat?
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Re: Food plot ?
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08/21/14 04:17 AM
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Wheat is the cheapest, but cereal rye, IMO is the best. You could always throw out some of the co-op generic mixes. $17-19 a bag. Has wheat,oats,rye,cc, come has rape and radish too. How many acres are we talking? You said 5 fields, five acres?
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Re: Food plot ?
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08/21/14 04:30 AM
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You don't think the peanuts put enough N in the soil for the wheat? I’m really not for sure on this one but here’s a couple thoughts……Nitrogen fixing plants do not deliver N to the soil as they grow. If I’m not mistaken they actually scavenge and take some N from the soil during growth. It’s only after termination that there is a nitrogen release to the next crop. If they harvest all the peanuts and take them away, then aren’t they taking away any gained nutrients? Another thought too is……if there actually is enough N left over in the soil to grow a good wheat crop then I would dang sure have the farmer out there pointing it out to him. If he knew he was leaving that much money on the table, then you may can convince him to plant a cover crop for you for his benefit of recycling that N back to his next crop
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: Delta Dave]
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08/21/14 04:51 AM
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Nitrogen is taken from the air by legumes, not taken from the soil. 80% of the air we breath is Nitrogen. Legumes then store the Nitrogen in nodules in their roots. Unless the peanut farmer is planning on removing all the organic material from the field, there is going to be lots of N added. That's why so many farmers rotate a legume crop in their plantings. It helps lower fertilizer costs. I'll have to find it but I know I've read a paper about growing clover in between rows of corn or other vegetable and it causing yield to be lower due to the clover scavenging some of the available N. Give me some time and I'll find it. I remember reading this more than once I just don't recall where.....
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: Johnal3]
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08/21/14 04:52 AM
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CNC, where are you finding enough c rye to cover whole fields? The people I go thru to get seed, said if you don't have it by now, you probably won't get. Some kinda crazy shortage right now. I may be in the same boat this year but I've never had any trouble getting it in the past in my area. All of the local feed stores and co-ops that I've called carried it. I paid something like $16.95 last year.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: Johnal3]
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08/21/14 05:17 AM
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CNC, where are you finding enough c rye to cover whole fields? The people I go thru to get seed, said if you don't have it by now, you probably won't get. Some kinda crazy shortage right now. Ouch!.....I just called around and you're right. Seems like there is a shortage of cereal rye this year. Looks like I'm going to have to back up and punt. The price will be jacked up now even if they do get some in. That really sucks. 
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: CNC]
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08/21/14 05:18 AM
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CNC, where are you finding enough c rye to cover whole fields? The people I go thru to get seed, said if you don't have it by now, you probably won't get. Some kinda crazy shortage right now. Ouch!.....I just called around and you're right. Seems like there is a shortage of cereal rye this year. Looks like I'm going to have to back up and punt. The price will be jacked up now even if they do get some in. That really sucks. WMS makes a good product.
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: CNC]
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08/21/14 05:19 AM
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Nitrogen is taken from the air by legumes, not taken from the soil. 80% of the air we breath is Nitrogen. Legumes then store the Nitrogen in nodules in their roots. Unless the peanut farmer is planning on removing all the organic material from the field, there is going to be lots of N added. That's why so many farmers rotate a legume crop in their plantings. It helps lower fertilizer costs. I'll have to find it but I know I've read a paper about growing clover in between rows of corn or other vegetable and it causing yield to be lower due to the clover scavenging some of the available N. Give me some time and I'll find it. I remember reading this more than once I just don't recall where..... I have little doubt that planting clover or any plant between corn rows would have a negative effect on the corn. They would be competing for moisture and other nutrients in the soil. But that is talking about having them planted at the same time. Here we are talking about planting a crop after the legume has been harvested and hopefully returned into the soil.
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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08/21/14 06:06 AM
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The best that worked for us in the peanut fields was Wheat. You can actually if you hit it right, after they dig them up spread it out on top right before a good rain and it will sprout. Don't really now why they are talking about Fertilizing it since the field has obviously already been taken care of because it is an AG source. As long as you don't get a Freeze in the first two weeks you should be good to go. Come Nov. Dec it will look like a golf course.
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: blumsden]
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08/21/14 06:55 AM
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Wheat is the cheapest, but cereal rye, IMO is the best. You could always throw out some of the co-op generic mixes. $17-19 a bag. Has wheat,oats,rye,cc, come has rape and radish too. How many acres are we talking? You said 5 fields, five acres? naw its alot more than that, probably 80 acres. dont neccisarly have to plant it all, but it would be nice to plant some big plots 10-15 acres per field, we got other plots too, that are specifically food plots, so seed bill gets expensive. Previously fields were cotton, probably insurance cotton crop to be hones, last year 2 fields was planted in corn when it was leased to a diffrent farmer. The corn did great 8-9 foot stalks,with high yield. this year all ag pnuts.
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Re: Food plot ?
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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08/21/14 12:08 PM
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Awbarn, AL
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I was doing some reading and came across these two studies.  http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/64200500/csr/ResearchPubs/balkcom/meso_07a.pdfCONCLUSIONS
Peanut residue did not contribute significant amounts of N to the subsequent cotton crop based on seed cotton yield response and various tissue samples collected at 1st square and mid-bloom over a 3-yr period. As expected, cotton did respond favorably to N applications, but the recommended 101 kg N ha did not maximize yields. These findings indicate that soil test recommendations may need to be altered so as not to suggest that N rates following a peanut crop can be reduced up to 34 kg N ha in a conservation system. Although recommendations state that N rates may be potentially reduced, the probability of this occurring is much less than the probability of no response to peanut residue. Since peanut production in the Southeast is generally on highly weathered Ultisols, retention of peanut residue in the field could increase soil organic matter contents, which will improve soil physical and chemical properties. http://www.ag.auburn.edu/auxiliary/nsdl/scasc/Proceedings/2005/Meso.pdfCONCLUSION
Rye biomass yield, N uptake and cotton dry biomass, N uptake and seed yield (in 2003-2004 experiment) responded to applied N.
Peanut residues did not contribute significant amounts of N to the rye cover crop or subsequent cotton crop. However, maintaining residue in the field could help increase organic matter contents over time, which can provide positive benefits for these soils
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