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Re: Magnum calibers??
[Re: Fuzzy_Bunny]
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08/14/14 03:30 PM
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More power equals better penetration.
Um, not necessarily. Depends on the bullet. The faster you drive bullets the more they expand on impact. I have seen standard cup and core lead bullets or ballistic tips over expand and even fragment badly from magnum calibers on close range shots. I've seen a 170 pound buck shot behind the shoulder at 60 yards with a 300 WSM and the bullet did not exit. I can take a standard caliber like a 7mm-08 or a 30-06 and make any kind of would channel you want through a deer just by varying the type of bullet. Want to shoot one in the ass and have it come out their nose then use a Barnes TSX. Or if you are one of the energy dump aficionados use a ballistic tip and explode his insides (although I personally don't like them). I have seen people buy a big stomper mag and have the overexpansion problem I spoke of above. So they switched and started using a tougher constructed premium bullet. But to my eyes those tougher bullets didn't do any more damage at the magnum velocities than a lighter constructed bullet did at standard velocities. More flinch inducing recoil; 68 dollar a box ammo; and at the end of the day they weren't doing anything to a deer that I couldn't have done with a 308.
Last edited by Todd1700; 08/14/14 04:16 PM.
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Re: Magnum calibers??
[Re: Fuzzy_Bunny]
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08/14/14 03:31 PM
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2Dogs
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2dogs, I used to carry two rifles with me so I could do what you do. Now I am old and fat and just carry the one that will do it all. I do carry my Contender in my pack 100% of the time, and shoot it almost exclusively out to 200 yards or so, if I have enough light to see through the scope.  I don't hunt bean fields, I hunt woods. That 7mm short mag is a elk killer. I did take it to a plot one PM , shot a doe behind the ear, just about cut her head clean off. The "Bush Hog" might have left a larger piece of skin attached.
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Re: Magnum calibers??
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08/14/14 03:38 PM
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The Boonies a.k.a. Pickens cou...
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If a shoulder shot were all you could get then a magnum would be preferable and a 30 caliber one or larger. If you want to neck shoot with a 223 then by all means knock yourself out.
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Re: Magnum calibers??
[Re: 2Dogs]
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08/14/14 03:44 PM
08/14/14 03:44 PM
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daniel white
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2dogs, I used to carry two rifles with me so I could do what you do. Now I am old and fat and just carry the one that will do it all. I do carry my Contender in my pack 100% of the time, and shoot it almost exclusively out to 200 yards or so, if I have enough light to see through the scope. I don't hunt bean fields, I hunt woods. That 7mm short mag is a elk killer. I did take it to a plot one PM , shot a doe behind the ear, just about cut her head clean off. The "Bush Hog" might have left a larger piece of skin attached. Sorta like a sling blade, "that second whack plum near took his head off" UMMM... I reckon..
"You do and it will be the biggest mistake you ever made, you Texas brush popper" John Wayne
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Re: Magnum calibers??
[Re: Todd1700]
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08/14/14 03:55 PM
08/14/14 03:55 PM
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Pike County, AL
Fuzzy_Bunny
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More power equals better penetration.
Um, not necessarily. Depends on the bullet. The faster you drive bullets the more they expand on impact. I have seen standard cup and core lead bullets or ballistic tips over expand and even fragment badly from magnum calibers on close range shots. I've seen a 170 pound buck shot behind the shoulder at 60 yards with a 300 WSM and the bullets did not exit. I can take a standard caliber like a 7mm-08 or a 30-06 and make any kind of would channel you want through a deer just by varying the type of bullet. Want to shoot one in the ass and have it come out their nose then use a Barnes TSX. Or if you are one of the energy dump aficionados use a ballistic tip and explode his insides (although I personally don't like them). I have seen people buy a big stomper mag and have the overexpansion problem I spoke of above. So they switched and started using a tougher constructed premium bullet. But to my eyes those tougher bullets didn't do any more damage at the magnum velocities than a lighter constructed bullet did at standard velocities. More flinch inducing recoil; 68 dollar a box ammo; and at the end of the day they weren't doing anything to a deer that I couldn't have done with a 308. The context in which I was speaking (or typing :)) was comparing magnum to non-magnum calibers shooting the same bullet. So regardless of the bullet, if I am shooting a 165 grain whatever in a 30-06 and the same bullet in a 300 RUM, the Rum will offer more penetration. True you can expect more expansion at higher velocities, but the bullet will also have more energy behind it to make a bigger and deeper hole if it doesn't pass all the way through the deer. Bullet construction is very important and I agree you can find a bullet to do whatever you want. For the sake of poops and giggles, I can also hand load my RUM to 30-06 velocities. Lets see you load a 30-06 to RUM velocities
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Re: Magnum calibers??
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08/14/14 03:58 PM
08/14/14 03:58 PM
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Fuzzy_Bunny
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2dogs, I used to carry two rifles with me so I could do what you do. Now I am old and fat and just carry the one that will do it all. I do carry my Contender in my pack 100% of the time, and shoot it almost exclusively out to 200 yards or so, if I have enough light to see through the scope. I don't hunt bean fields, I hunt woods. That 7mm short mag is a elk killer. I did take it to a plot one PM , shot a doe behind the ear, just about cut her head clean off. The "Bush Hog" might have left a larger piece of skin attached. I shot a doe between the eyes once at about 60 yards with my RUM. It sounded like you had a hand full of twigs and snapped them all at once. I couldn't really believe I heard it, but it was kind of creepy. Her head looked like it had been put in a vice when she hit the ground.
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Re: Magnum calibers??
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08/20/14 09:39 AM
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I tend to be more concerned with the weight of the rifle. I spend a lot of time carrying it. If I were buying one just for long range the .300 WSM is a good round.
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