Well, what every you do, you only have until Monday the 14th to file your appeal.

And you weren't the only one... Imagine that...




LOL, now THAT's a good 'un!




Everyone, don't forget to say a warm welcome to our newest DCNR member.





Oops, looks like there's a newest-est DCNR member now!

To Bamachem
I dont plan on having a tombstone. I want to be incinerated and my ashes tossed back to whereever. Spending good money on a hole in the ground and a fancy headstone just does not make sense to me. Ill be dead and will not care. Maybe my friends and family will toast my passing and think well of me. I am a normal human being and I make mistakes like everyone else. I will probably be remembered for admitting to my mistakes and calling bullcrap when some people wont admit to theirs. How about you potstirrer? You gonna say and insinuate crappy things long enough for people to look forward to the day when they can piss on your headstone?

To Patriot;
1>Being a disabled vet has a lot to do with it if that disability left you 60% paralyzed on your right side and totally blind in your right eye. I am right handed. Try closing your dominant eye and shooting with you non primary hand while standing up walking. Until then try sticking to subjects you know something about.
2> Bill Gray, supervising Biologist for the state of Alabama has been a friend of mine for years. Bill stated after hearing the events that the ticket should not have never been written. I have no problem with Chris or Keith they were doing their job and interperting a very vague law. I greatly appreciate the service they provide I simply disagree with their interpretation of 9-11-257 and so does the Alabama Attorney General. Did Chris also tell you I volunteered if they needed any help at the WMA the morning I checked in. I picked up trash at Cahaba River WMA for many years as a volunteer.
3> Officer Nix specifically stated that the problem was not the rifle. It would not matter if I had been carrying a bow or spear. The charge was for hunting not carrying a rifle.
4>I congratulate you your family and friends on being such conscientious hunters and unloading. I truly cannot honestly say that none of the people I know have ever received a citation from DCNR. But then many of my friends do not work for DCNR. If you choose to ignore your constitutional rights and how law is enforced you won’t have to worry about any of this for very long. You will not be allowed to carry a rifle anywhere. Try listing the places that you can legally carry a rifle across your shoulder in our state, even though the second amendment gives you that right. That is a very short list. Maybe I took a different oath than you or your relatives when I entered service. And no, I am not refering to your DCNR service.
5>you offer a lot of opinion but no evidence. Show me in the Constitution of Alabama anywhere where anything is mentioned regarding the unlawful carry of a loaded rifle on a railroad. Taking my hunting rights for a year on a first and only hunting offense is BS. I went today and appealed and plan to put it before a jury. Baldwin court wanted me to sign a blank appearance and cost bond and then send it up to Judge Bishop and then let him fill in the blanks as part of the appeal. I am sure that you have some piece of fuzzy logic that justifies this.
6> Concerning society and your opinions on the downfall. Laws and courts help define the boundries of our society.
Just because I dissagree with an opinion on the law I still respect it
7> Look at your map again for Perdido River. I was parked at the North end of the paved road against the river. I was stopped less than 100 yards from the end of the management area North bound off the management area.



And you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how uninformed. It is always good to think about other aspects. By the way, it is the 1st Amendment of our constitution that gives you that right to have an opinion and speak your mind. Thank you for your service.

My gosh, I am tired of this thread and the 'special' treatment that you must expect from repeatedly playing the 'veteran' card.

You broke the letter of the Law.

Pay the fine and move on OR go through the judicial procedure that you fought to protect.

BUT QUIT WHINING ON THE INTERNET!!!!
It really isn't changing anything.

Hogwild,


That's the stupidest remark that has been made in this entire thread.

No law trumps our Constitution.



You're saying it's illegal to possess a loaded firearm to prevent the appearance that someone is hunting.

Get real!!


Constitution of Alabama 1901

Try carrying your loaded gun into work with you at any Industrial Plant.

Or, better yet, into Court with you while you argue your case. LOL

YOUR interpretation and what the Courts say are 2 differnet things.

You really give bad advice!

When I was a kid my Dad told me some Game Wardens were interested in conservation and some were out to stick it to somebody. My experience has proven this to be true. I've met both.

Hogwild,



I advise citizens who swore to the defend the Constitution when they entered the military and those who did so when they entered public office or became enforcement officers that they should honor their oaths.

It's not bad advice for the rest of you to defend the Constitution whether you swore to or not.

Well at least Mr. Wallace is retired now!

Okay Bucky ,
I will try this one more time and then I quit. Talking to you, that is.
You dish out impertinence as if you had the sole rights to do so just because you were wounded and it is almost infuriating. You are not the only wounded service member.
While I was in the diving community in the USN, I knew several team members whose motto was "Adapt or Die" not "adjust to whine".
Now pay attention and read this with your one good eye.

Get your facts straight and tell the whole truth.
Bill Gray is not THE supervising biologist for the State of Alabama, he is the supervisor in District 4. Bill Gray was not there and I doubt he would second guess officers in the field without knowing all the facts. (Free handout AL. Reg Book 2010-2011 pg 11).
Lets just skip on down to the "ignoring my rights crap"... No one and I reiterate No One has said, hinted or indicated that you don't have the right to keep and bear arms - and I will fight to the death to keep mine. I took the same oath as you, you .... and however distasteful I will defend yours.
You were standing in/on private property owned by the railroad. In Alabama the r/r and its right of way is deemed private property. You had a loaded firearm, wearing camo, wearing orange and standing in the r/r tracks looking at a clearcut.
You were hunting..... 9-11-257.
You will not find anything in the Constitution of Alabama about carrying a loaded firearm on a r/r track. You will find it in the Code of Alabama 9-11-257.
I have no fuzzy logic.
Here is a thought, why don't the GW's turn over the info to the R/R police and you could be charged again for trespassing?
The location where you were stopped is 3/10 of a mile from the public road. The opposing side of that road( or north of that road)is mgmt area also.
My uninformed opinion is based on a lifetime of dealing with charlatans, 12 years in the USN, a 4 year college degree with a dual minor of Psychology and Criminology.
I guess your worldly and buffoonish opinion is based on...I don't know , maybe you got hit by a train.
Goodby and good luck

Patriot,

If you and I were on a jury hearing this case, you would not get your unanimous guilty verdict. Your ideas about what constitutes hunting are preposterous and overbroad.

Notice the words chosen by our legislature to describe hunting:




Nothing there about possession of firearms, whether loaded or not, and certainly not anything there about the clothes a person is wearing.

I have hunted Perdido since it opened and have never had a problem with Chris. Many times I have seen Chris help blood trail someones deer after hearing that they couldn't find it or it had crossed a property line. On the last hunt of the year I asked where Chris was and was told that someone had seen some bicycle riders on the management area and he was concerned with their safety and was going to let them be aware that a gun hunt was going on. There's a group of girls that ride horses on the management area but they have their orange on. My point is that I don't think Chris is all bad.

I don't know about your deal with the ticket and can only speak for myself. I hunt management areas only and if I walk down a RR or even approach a gate on the management area road I unload my gun. That way there is no appearance of hunting. I can't afford a ticket so I try not to give them a chance to write me one.

49er,
Define "hunting" please.

Again, I have no problem with Chris or Keith. They both acted professionly and seem to take pride in their work. I simply know what I was doing when cited and stronly dissagree with Chris's opinion of the law and feel LEO's are over zealous in writing tickets on WMA's. I also feel it unjust that I lost my hunting rights for a year for dissagreeing with Chris's opinion of the law. I know we have beat this topic to death and apologize if it seems to drag on. I have always enjoyed an assortment of forums for the exchange of ideas. If I was not interested in a topic I simply ignored the topic.

Nice. Another Class-act. So, you work near Airport Blvd and live out in the West Mobile area. We should go have a beer one evening and see if you still want to piss on my grave.

To 49er,
If this and if that is not the issue.

I did not give my def. of what constitutes hunting and what constitutes hunting is not the issue.

This is not an issue of the right to bear arms.

This is an issue of whether he was hunting or not.

Bucky admitted that he was on the WMA to hunt.
He was checked out as hunting. I say again,he was hunting by his own admission.
He was standing on private property owned by the R/R ( you cannot legally walk on the R/R without permission from the R/R in Alabama) and bordered on both sides by mgmt area when contacted by the GWs.
Here is an if for you-
( If you saw someone you did not know in camo and a loaded rifle on your property you would want them prosecuted for hunting without permission or at least prosecuted for trespass.)

The issue is that he was hunting by his own admission, but when contacted by the GWs he claims he is not hunting right then or that he had finished hunting.
This is an issue about someone trying to find a way get out of a violation and not being able to admit that they messed up.

I honestly hate that Bucky got hammered but jeez, all he had to do was pull the bullets out of the gun while he was on the R/R.

To Bamachem,
I don't live in Mobile area. I am flattered and I thank you for the invitation but I don't date because it would anger my wife. I certainly wouldn't date someone that already had their grave.

LOL... I'm sure you're "not my type" either as far as that goes.

As far as living in the area - LOL on that too.