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Where Does the Military Stand #767867
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I've never been a conspiracy theorist or a chicken little and the sky is falling, but this country is headed in a scary direction. If it comes down to bloodshed in the form of a revolt, where does the military stand? How long will they continue to take orders? Will they stand against citizens? I'm just curious what others think.

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I've wondered about this, too. I guess it could depend on what lies are told to them.


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Some will...some won't. The people I know say they won't.


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When I was in the Army we talked about this. I don't think anyone would fight against our own. I do think local, state and fed law would stomp it out. If small groups of people started to rise up they would be looked at like terrorist or a cult like group. I could see another waco happening.

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This is why I posted what I did the other day. The Obama administration is doing all they can to destroy morale among the enlisted. If each of us took every opportunity to tell every service member we see that we appreciate them, who do you think they will support come crunch time? They know their government doesn't appreciate them. Tell every member, black or white, male or female , that we appreciate them.

My guess is that this administration would like to get most of our military involved in overseas conflict and use the DHS to disarm and defeat the citizenry.


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The military needs to stand up. They have an oath to the Constitution. There is a reason that Constitution comes before President in their Oath. The protection of the Constitution trumps all in "my" opinion.


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I agree, it would depend on how wide spread and how quickly things escalated. It it was large enough and fast enough the military would not intervene.

State and Fed law enforcement can not stop the people. Small cities would not even try, plus they wouldn't get any support from the Feds. The military is another story.

You need feet on the street. Drone attacks would only rally more people and it wouldn't be a BS middle east rally there would be politicians executed on the streets. The people would know that they only way out would be complete change. American's once rallied are not a group to be taken lightly.


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Military defends Constitution.
President is bound by Constitution to 'faithfully discharge his duties and execute the laws of the country faithfully...

However, sonny soetero doesnt believe he is bound by the Constitution. He has several hundred thousand flip lipped knuckledraggers called federal bureaucrats (think TSA types)that owe him their entire existence.

They have never had it so good in their lives because they are not employable at commensurate rates, if at all, in the private sector. These are the same goons/agencies that have stockpiled ammo. You are paying for all that.

See?

WE are also paying for the Military and millions of us, especially in the south, own more than one gun.

I like our odds, Semper Fi.

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Toothdoc, research what all happened stateside during the Vietnam protests in American cities during the 60s and 70s. Also, I don't have to remind you that the rule of law to this administration is no hurdle too tall.



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I think the military will NOT as a whole go against the people. They will not shoot on their own. Most local police I spoke to say the very same. They arent about to. theyve told me it would be suicide.

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Military has lots of guns and tanks and planes, no bullets no shells and no bombs and missles. they are or will be just like us small arms vs the dhs, who is armed to the teeth. just ask anyone in the defense industry around huntsville, oh wait you can't cause they are laid off. open your eyes to what is happening around. Dang it yall now im on the list!

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Originally Posted By: outdoorobsession
I think the military will NOT as a whole go against the people. They will not shoot on their own. Most local police I spoke to say the very same. They arent about to. theyve told me it would be suicide.


You haven't been paying attention to the same stories I have about the jack booted, thug , police , then. I think they are much more likely to join up with DHS than our military.


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Complicated question with multiple scenario answers. IF the uprising comes there will be 2 fronts, urban and rural. All Hell will break loose in the urban scenario and local PD might see it as the golden opportunity to do some long overdue "cleanup". Once they get a little taste of blood they'd be more likely to abuse the good people. The rural front is where folks would clan up, police their own and put up the most resistance. I believe the key would be to have governors of states with common borders to clan up and use their National Guard units against the criminal feds.


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Re: Where Does the Military Stand [Re: toothdoc] #768067
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Recent 'study' at 29 Palms, ...completely not official...was a Master Degree paper polled Marines...only 26% said they'd fire on citizens...26% would win SGLI lotto real quick


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Originally Posted By: SFC3
Recent 'study' at 29 Palms, ...completely not official...was a Master Degree paper polled Marines...only 26% said they'd fire on citizens...26% would win SGLI lotto real quick


All it would take is a little propaganda from high up to change that number to near 100%.Just look at Ruby Ridge and Waco. All that's necessary is to provide a good reason, whether real or not. This country is more divided than ever. The us against them mentality is becoming dominant among every faction of society.

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Just look at what the military of other countries have done in the past to their own people. Nuff said.


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yea, like Egypt where they saved their people from the muslim brotherhood.


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Re: Where Does the Military Stand [Re: toothdoc] #768287
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Despite the Oath of 'protect against all threats both foreign and domestic', the average Joe isn't gonna shoot Bubba cuz he's out past curfew should it ever happen.

There's no way that any combination of federal/state/local authorities could put an entire country on lockdown. There's just too much real estate. What's happened in recent conflicts shows that it's nearly impossible to completely control even a small population. It gets harder when the locals have a morale obligation to each other ie: family/friends/neighbors where everyone knows each other. Trying to control multiple large (100k+ people) cities would be a nightmare. Putting a multi-million sized populace just isn't possible.

I agree that DHS's large ammo and armored vehicle purchases are alarming, but other than having the National Guard come in to try and stop looting, military interdiction of large groups of 'hostile' civilians isn't in the guberment game plan.

It would be curious to see how the media portrays it...


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Re: Where Does the Military Stand [Re: toothdoc] #768302
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I wouldn't follow that order, but a lot of the younger guys are so brainwashed coming from training they don't know that they are obligated to the people, not the government. I wholeheartedly believe that the younger soilders would blindly follow any order they are given.

I'm in the National Guard btw.

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