I got the dealership to come off 2k on the 2013 Chevy. I tried to get him to make the out the door price I got on the Ford but they wouldn't do it.

Thanks guys for all the info. It's greatly appreciated.

The 6.0 problems ford had stemmed from the government giving them the new emissions standards and telling them they had 4mths to make the change. They were ill prepared and changing from a tried and true, probably one of the best desil engines ever made, the 7.3, they failed at first. But they have gotten a really good product out of the 6.7. One thing people need to realize is that the emissions are what has caused all the problems. I manage a shop that works on many brands, cummins, paccar, CAT, Isuzu, Hino. I see the same types of problems with all if them. They are all improving though. The entire EGR system requirements would prevent me from purchasing a desil for an everyday driver unless you need it. Your putting raw exhaust back into the engine. Everything from the turbo, EGR valve, EGR coolers and air to air coolers turn black and get covered in oily soot just so that 18in piece of tailpipe behind the DPF is clean. I'm not saying don't buy one but in my opinion they are disposable motors. Another thing to be aware of is repair costs. The way these new systems work, one failed component can cause a chain reaction down the line and take out multiple other components. As an example on some models now, a fuel injector that are overfuelling can cause the exhaust temps to get too high and causing temps in the DPF to get too high burning up the DPF and temp sensors. So you would be looking at a new DPF, set of injectors and temp sensors. A new DPF can run anywhere from $1500 - $4000. Injectors anywere from $500-$1000 each. Add labor to all of this and you are looking at a chunk of change. I've seen this happen several times on a single truck before while it is in warranty then happen again after the warranty is out. All of this happen on a truck thats not even paid for. If this happens when the truck is under warranty consider yourself lucky. If it happens after warranty is up, you could be looking at a $5000+ repair costs. I work for a dealer so I'm not really up to date on what the aftermarket has came up with to combat the common problems. Whatever make you go with I would be sure to get the extended warranty offered. It will pay for itself because you will have problems. Plus the manufacturers tend to help those who buy them more than those who don't. Lets say the extended warranty costs $4k. The turbo lasts all the way through that time and fails 2wks after it runs out of the warranty period. That turbo msy cost $1500-$3000 + labor. There is a really good chance that you can get some type of help from the manufacture, wheather it is parts and labor or just parts. If you opted out of the extended warranty their prob not going to help at all. I've been out of the retail side for 2yrs after 10yrs at a ford dealer. my insight now comes from commercial trucks. They are 2 totally different businesses but still share a lot of parallels when it comes to how they handle problems. Follow your maintenance guide to a T. Do some things more often. IE fuel filters. Learn to do them yourself to save money and do then often. Fuel problems are the most common problems I see. I've had trucks towed hundreds of miles to me and we replace the fuel filters which fixes the truck. All this takes place while the truck is still in warranty. Replacing fuel filters is not a warrantable failure so the entire repair and towbill goes back to the customer. I'll close with this. You can get a good truck from any of the manufactures, but make sure you have a nice account with a decent balance for when something breaks.

Wouldn't Ford have found out about the new emissions standards at the same time GM and Dodge did?

Absolutely. And they failed. the others guys designs were just better than fords. I'm not being an advocate for Ford. But ford has finally come out with a good product.

My 2011 6.7 with 85K on it has been good so far but let me say this for what it is worth. I travel 50-75K miles a year and tow my camper of 12K pounds with it pretty often. The numbers do not add up any more. To own a diesel you need to pull 10K pounds plus all the time to justify it. The up front cost, insurance, maintenance, fuel, and repairs are all substantially higher on a diesel. The new 6.2 gas motor ford has out is strong. I have a friend that just bought one. He can do 2 oil changes for what it cost me to do 1. Fuel is on average 50 cents a gallon cheaper, the up front cost was about 8K less, and he doesn't have to add DEF. OK yes he gets 13-15mpg empty and I get 16-17 but for the cost difference listed above you can buy a TON of gas. He has pulled his tractor (about 11K pounds) with it and he was very impressed. He said sure it ain't the diesel but I ain't in a race towing either. After I wear this one out I am going to a gas 3/4 ton. From your description I would give it a good look.

I would agree with this. Unless you tow a lot of weight on a regular basis, it is not cost effective to run a modern, newer model desil. That new ecoboost that Ford is making is a great truck. My wifes uncle just bought one and it has power that feels like a V8. He pulls a 22ft boat with and says it seems to pull it better than hthe V8 F-150 that he traded for it.

I have a new 2013 2500 HD 6.0 and absolutely love it. I had a 2004 2500 HD with the 6.0 engine and had no real trouble until I got around 225,000 miles. I pull my tractor and some equipment and have never had an issue with either truck pulling a load. I agree with the others that a deisel is worth the money only if you are consistenly pulling a load.

I will also say that I had a 2011 Tundra and that was a beast, it pulled my 26' boat around town much better than my diesel does around town

Well I've ball parked extra cost of owning a diesel. So far it looks like I'll be out some additional money. However it's nothing substantial because my vehicle will sit idel for two weeks every month while I'm offshore. That helps with less fuel and keeps miles off.

I fill up around 5 to 6 times while home from work so my fuel bill will increase $50 to $60 per month. Insurance is $36.13 more per month. The oil change and fuel filters are the only unknowns at this point. From what I've seen the fuel filters are a 20 min job so I will not be paying someone to change my filters. If I knew Ford would not try to void my warranty I would do my own oil change as well. I'm already spending $90 on a oil change in my 4Runner every 5000 miles.

I know I'm missing something but just don't see it being way more expensive to own a diesel. I do realize if it breaks the repairs will be much more expensive. I do plan to buy a good extended warranty if I purchase a diesel.

You have to figure in the added up front cost of the diesel too. That has been 6 to 8 thousand on the ones I have looked at.

Say what???? Is that a typo?

Yeah the added up front cost is in that ball park. I didn't think about that. So I guess what everyone is telling me its not worth the extra money to own a diesel unless I'm pulling something often. That will not be the case unless I wanted to put my equipment to use more often.

No when I pay someone to do the oil change and added cost of using 100% synthetic it's not cheap.

Good Lord, Squeaky. The Chevy dealership here only charges $50.76 for a lube, oil, filter, and however many point inspection on my z-71...and that's synthetic oil. Most of the time, they give me an additional $20 discount for reasons they've never shared. I generally walk out the door with a full service oil change and tire rotation for $50-55.

It costs about $200 to have my 2011 F250 serviced. That includes oil and filter changed, air filter checked/changed, water drained from fuel separator, and DEF tank topped off. FWIW.

One thing to think about is that diesels are getting 25to 26 mpg highway. You will need to get a programmer and play with the different settings to get the best mpg. If you take care of a diesel you should easily get over 400k miles. If you don't get at least 400k miles out of a diesel than you should have bought a duramax

I have not heard of any new diesel getting that kind of mileage. Not Ford, not chevy, and defiantly not the new dodge. 400K is a thing of the past with a diesel. All the emissions crap wears out and is very costly to fix. They put so much power out of such a small package that they do not hold up like they use to. Some of these diesels put out more power than a big rig but in a lot smaller package. Put a programmer on it say goodbye to your warranty. Not saying you can't get 400K out of one but it is not nearly as common or cost effective as it use to be Duramax included.

Your oil changes will cost anywhere from 110-160 bucks depending on where you get it done. Changing your own oil does not void your warranty. It costs me ~65-75 bucks to buy the oil and filter. I have not been to a shop yet that includes topping off DEF with oil change unless you pay extra except the dealership. Trust me number wise it does not work out. Another thing you mention is the truck will sit without being run for extended periods of time, this is the WORST thing for a new style diesel. This allows any water in the fuel tank to emulsify and pass through the fuel system bonded with the diesel fuel. Just a little bit of water at the 24,000 PSI these new trucks run their fuel at will destroy the fuel system and you are looking at a 8-12K repair not covered under warranty. Rust also builds on the tiny moving vanes of the variable geometry turbo making it stick then causing costly repairs.

Buy whatever you want as you have to pay for it but cost wise it is not worth it. Don't buy into this 25mpg thing either unless you are buying a short bed 2wd it just ain't gonna happen period. If you do want one that bad I will sell you mine with 85K on it and buy me a gas burner I'll make you a good deal on it LOL.

Lots of great info already listed; you're gonna have to get what makes you happy. The big 3 manufacturers are always in the diesel race and always looking to improve, some faster than others; again, what makes you happy. I've owen to F250s, one 7.3 and one 6.0; used to make me nervous with the 6.0 to see similar models with major work having to be done and see the entire body suspended above the frame at the dealership to work on em. Don't know if that's still the case. I now drive a Cummins. Ford changes their engines way too often , but looks like they have a winner with this 6.7; HOWEVER: go lift the top up on one of their commercial 650-750 and lookey what you see behind that there blue oval: :::::::::::::::::::::: A CUMMINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!