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Should magnification be legal? #32717
11/05/09 03:52 PM
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First let me say I am not proposing this or opposing it. I simply want to know what you think. So, please keep it clean and constructive.


I have been approached several times lately by archery hunters (some compound and some crossbow) wanting to know what it would take to have magnification legalized. That part is easy, I guess you just have to get the CAB to vote it that way.

But, I guess the real question is... should it be legalized. I have no doubt every crossbow hunter and shop that sells crossbows would like it legalized. But, I also bet there are lots of compound shooters that would like it legalized as well.

Of course, if legalized it would still be up to the hunter to decide the type of sight they would want to use. And I guess there is another option. It could be legalized for just crossbows.

So, once again, please keep it clean!


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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32718
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I'm all for legalizing scopes for a bow. Don't know why anyone would want one, but let it be their choice.

I tried a scope for 3D and it was great with plenty of light. But in the woods? I couldn't see the target to save my a$$. So I wouldn't use one.


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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32719
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Magnification would only encourage folks to shoot beyond the effective range of a bow or crossbow.
No need for magnification on a weapon that's only effective to 40 yards


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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32720
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Quote:
Originally posted by Out back:
Magnification would only encourage folks to shoot beyond the effective range of a bow or crossbow.
No need for magnification on a weapon that's only effective to 40 yards
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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32721
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No magnification. I don't think that it is right. That is why it is archery season and not gun season. twocents

Re: Should magnification be legal? #32722
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I agree with Outack. There are already many hunters taking shots they should not be taking, all due to equipment improvements that mislead them into thinking they now own a firearm. A magnification device would increase this nonsense to a level I don't know if I could take.

Re: Should magnification be legal? #32723
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I think it should be legal. Some guys may not be able to see a pin very well so why not? As far as effective range goes..that depends on the archer. I've seen misses at 10 yards and kills on mule deer and elk at 70+

Re: Should magnification be legal? #32724
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X bow hunters have horned in on archery season,this will encourage then to take even longer uneffective and unethical shots.


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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32725
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Arrow speed increases has caused more archers to take shots they probably shouldn't with the flatter trajectory. We still have the choice to shoot or not.
You better be able to hold steady with a scope. You think your pin is still? Sure it is. Try a scope. You'll get magnification all right......of how much your bow is moving. wink


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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32726
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hunting12:
I think it should be legal. Some guys may not be able to see a pin very well so why not? As far as effective range goes..that depends on the archer. I've seen misses at 10 yards and kills on mule deer and elk at 70+
Effective range for whitetail deer has nothing to do with your shooting ability. An alert whitetail will duck an arrow at 20 yards, a half-comatose whitetail can duck an arrow at 70 yards.

Mule Deer and Elk are both slow thinkers with reflexes about as fast as molasses in winter time.


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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32727
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I don't have a problem with it.

It takes a pretty darn good archer to shoot a scoped boww effectively. And ya ain't got "multiple scopes", ya have to adjust for different yardages, like the single pin adj sights. Most folks won't like that. Most deer won't give ya that much time either...

I shot a scoped bow maybe 30 years ago, it shot better for me than a pin sighted bow. But I still wouldn't hunt with one.

It ain't like we got a shortage of deer..or gimmick minded hunters either laugh
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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32728
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If it was legal I would use one on my crossbow, I see this the same as scope on a ML. I have shot crossbows with them and liked it, if someone is going to shoot too far they don't need a scope to do it. I personally try to limit my xbow shots to less than 200 yds, unless I am on a powerline or railroad track then its 600 yds. Actually I like um around 20 yds....

Re: Should magnification be legal? #32729
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Heck I still get so jittery I can not remember to look at my pin through my peep sight on the first deer of the year (this year it just happened to be a buck) so until I can master a peep site I think I will skip on a scoped out bow.


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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32730
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Quote:
Originally posted by BhamFred:
I don't have a problem with it.

It takes a pretty darn good archer to shoot a scoped boww effectively. And ya ain't got "multiple scopes", ya have to adjust for different yardages, like the single pin adj sights. Most folks won't like that. Most deer won't give ya that much time either...

troy
Troy,

They have sights with one scope lens behind multiple pins. Don't know how clear it is.


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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32731
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thanks bowtech, learnt something new today...

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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32732
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I use a 4X lens on my 3D rig. It doesn't magnify the pin or fiber, so the argument for helping folks see their pins better is out. A scope on a compound is a single lens. It is nothing like a rifle scope. In hunting situations it would actually be more of a handicap than an advantage. Don't even want to discuss allowing the on xbows.


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Re: Should magnification be legal? #32733
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Bottom line is:

It should be an archers choice. Just like a choice between recurve vs compound, sights vs no sights, fingers vs release. It has no advantage....if anything, it's a hindrance that some will learn over time.


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