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Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121455
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I think there are a lot of things that factor into the condition of our youth. For one, all kinds of information is at their fingertips. The outside influence of society is more powerful today than it ever has been. It has always been the case that youth are short on wisdom. Used to be that most youth toes the line because of fear of a parent. Just like Jwalker77 gave an example of. Today there is not much fear of parents. And wisdom hasn't grown. Knowledge probably has but not wisdom. Experience is the best teacher of wisdom although a few can adopt it by word of mouth. But usually hard times create wisdom. We haven't seen much of those in the last 20 years so these kids have no experience with it. About half the kids in society grow up in broken or blended homes. A single mom or dad can't stay at home and raise kids, and kids are usually, not always, caught up in the adult drama of blended families. They are able to use heart strings to manipulate and achieve what they want. Parents feel guilty for causing suffering and pain to their kids so the try to give them all they want to make it up to them. There isn't much tough love. I actually just watched Charlie Kirk touch on this as well. We blame the youth and talk about how stupid they are when it is our fault. They are a product of their environment. All this is compounded by the lack of Jesus and His ways in their lives. They don't stand a chance.

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121465
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I think the key takeaway from Matt’s was “BOTH PARENTS “ I’m almost 65 both my parents worked and we turned out pretty good

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121483
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Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121490
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It is because there are no consequences for their actions. If there were a large portion of these colleges of southern or midwestern corn fed christains these radicals wouldnt be so impowered. But, they have excluded the working/common ethic from these schools for 25+ years. Now their student population has become what they once hated... Bigots who dont believe in classical liberal ideals.

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121491
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Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121500
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I would sure hate to spend eternity in hell getting to hear my children scream from the pain of burning forever. All this stuff going on here on earth is fun and games. The real suffering will start later and never stop.

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121524
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Watered down parenting. Kids aren’t taught respect for adults. Every adult on my block had permission to whip my tail if I did anything stupid to their property or to them. I never needed their whippings, because I knew they would do it so I didn’t do anything stupid to earn one. People are different now and kids have suffered for it.


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Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121527
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There are issues in the world. You also don't have to look very far to find respectful, God fearing, hard working kids that love their families and God.

That's not as fun to talk about, though.

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121531
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The best family with 6 kids I've ever seen is home-schooled. The parents set an example, strong Christians, make the kids work, and stay off video games, and go outside. Spends time as a family. But I won't paint everyone with such a wide brush. Kids (for most) learn what they are taught. If they aren't taught, they learn on their own. Flip a coin. The 6th child was from a meth head sperm/egg donor in the family. They adopted Zech and took him away from the meth cesspool. He's a smart sweet boy, loves to read, loves to get dirty, and talks with folks (not a phone). His siblings are scattered out in foster homes. This Mom and Dad are Angels to him.


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Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: capehorn24] #4121542
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Originally Posted by capehorn24
I think the key takeaway from Matt’s was “BOTH PARENTS “ I’m almost 65 both my parents worked and we turned out pretty good

I’m sure you also had some responsibilities around the house at a very young age growing up in that generation. A lot of kids today don’t. I also know a lot of good families who had to have both parents working just to survive. Nowadays it’s both parents working to pay for a nice house, two new vehicles, and all the other stuff we go in to debt over. Nothing wrong with those things. I do think a lot of families pursue them over the raising of their kids though. I also hear a lot of parents say this “I don’t want my kids to work like I had to work to earn a living.” Why in the world would you want that? A good work ethic and desire to labor for necessities is a GREAT lesson and something all kids should be conditioned to enjoy in order to provide for themselves and their future families. Kids with no responsibilities at home aren’t going to magically turn into dependable and hard workers in the work force. There’s a lot of things wrong with our society. Prosperity led to most of it.

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121548
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There are always foreign students at most all colleges. There were a bunch in Huntsville and they came to Calhoun Community College when I was there. They would cheat like crazy if possible. There is a continent of Muslims at UAB and I've seen them "protesting " before. I was say most all of them are paid to be there.

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: capehorn24] #4121553
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Originally Posted by capehorn24
I think the key takeaway from Matt’s was “BOTH PARENTS “ I’m almost 65 both my parents worked and we turned out pretty good



At that time you didn't have all the outside influences right at your fingertips while you were home alone (or with siblings), either. Like MBrock said, I bet you had daily chores to do as well to help keep you busy.

I have been amazed at the number of kids who have no chores to do at home and how many two income families have a housekeeper/maid come in weekly to clean the house and sometimes do the laundry instead of delegating those things out to the kids.

A good number of young folks are failing at "adulting" simply because they have not been taught through their middle and high school years about the things one needs to be able to do when they are on their own. And, most schools do not teach those basic things, either.

I do know some families that have both parents working and their kids are wonderful, but it is because those kids are a priority when the parents are at home instead of like some who kind of "parent" when it is convenient.


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Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121565
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Cell phones stuck in their face 24 hours a day probably hasn’t helped either.

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: jono23] #4121573
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Originally Posted by jono23
There are issues in the world. You also don't have to look very far to find respectful, God fearing, hard working kids that love their families and God.

That's not as fun to talk about, though.

You did are correct. They don’t make for interesting news stories though

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121596
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I have been fortunate with mine and I am thankful. My youngest which is 17 home schools and works part time for a landscaper. Boss was out of town this week so my son hunted yesterday morning, then went and picked up company truck and equipment and went and cut 8 yards and back home for school etc. He doesnt mind working and understands that it is part of life and will always be that way.

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: abolt300] #4121664
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Easy. Parents for several generations have sacrificed their children to obtain comfort, pleasure and easier living. It’s a parents duty and responsibility to raise, nurture, instruct, develop, educate and prepare their kids for adult living and proper decision making. Instead, families have adopted day care, public school indoctrination, video games, cell phones, tv, and entertainers to fill that role while they chase the almighty dollar for more stuff. It’s the name of the game. Gotta work so we can live more comfortably. Society is suffering some major ills due to this mentality. It’s not impossible for both parents to have full time jobs, and raise kids, but it’s certainly challenging and something most can not do effectively. I know this will offend some folks, but if you wanna know what’s wrong that’s it. We put both parents into the work force as common practice, rather than raising families.


Preach it , Brother Brock.


100% truth Matt. My wife was also a business professional, and quickly climbing the corporate ladder, when we decided to have children after being married for 6 yrs. When we did, we also decided at that time, that she would be a stay at home mom and raise our children while I worked. Huge financial sacrifice because she too was making almost six figures back in the late 90s. Granted I've done well so while we certainly were not poor or struggling, it was still a big sacrifice to knowingly and intentionally lose her income, but we decided that some things, namely raising our children right and in a stable Christian home, and the non-monetary rewards that come from it, were worth way more than money. Twenty years later, once they all got through high school and into college, the wife has gone back to work. As a result of our family decisions, we'll both work, for probably another 7-10 years, whereas had we both been working the entire time, we'd easily be in a position to very comfortably retire and just enjoy life, right now, rather than having to wait until we are in our early 60s. Like I said above, it is about priorities and where you place them. If you're going to let someone else babysit, raise, train, educate, develop, discipline, and indoctrinate your children with, and according to their thoughts and beliefs, just so that you can drive a new truck, go on expensive vacations, have an $80k bass boat and $20k SXS, just to keep up with the FB showoffs and neighbors down the street financially, you might need to re-evaluate your priorities. Raising children with a strong Christian foundation and a strong work ethic, into hard working, highly functioning, successful adults, is one of the greatest privileges and gifts that the Lord grants us. There are exceptions to the rule and sometimes both parents have to work to put food on the table, but in general, society and the devil has and continues to push to destroy the traditional nuclear family life, as the Lord designed and intended it to be.






I see a lot of young parents that either have kids before getting married or start spitting them out as soon as the vows are spoken. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but, I do think it ads additional obstacles when supporting and raising kids. My wife and I, very similar to ABOLT300, were married for 7 years prior to having a child. We had had a lot of fun and grew out of our personal kid stage where we wanted to go and do all the time, spend like crazy, vacation, etc. after being married for 2-3 years. Then during the next 4 years prior to our son being born, we were able to "establish" ourselves so to speak, financially with savings, etc. When our son was born, my wife left her professional career for 5 years and stayed home until he started school. 27 yrs ago schools were a little different but, they had already stopped paddling's, etc. My wife and I have always worked, she's a medical professional and I spent many years in a sales/consulting position for a very large corp and then at 50 decided to buy a business and go the self employed route. From the time my son was born, we have strived to be the "Jones's" Not keep up with them. We work very hard and have been blessed to be able to have Land, Nice Homes in good school zones, New Vehicles, $80k Bass Boats, Pontoons, Lake Houses, and take nice vacations. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. I don't say that to brag but I won't ever apologize for it either.

The difference in my situation and a lot of the folks that are mentioned in a lot of post like these, is that when I bought an $80k boat, I took my kid fishing, not my buddy. While we were fishing we discussed life, school, and what it took to be blessed with the ability to have a nice rig like that., HARD WORK. When we took nice vacations, there was always a family discussion about how we saved up to be able to take the nice vacation and not put it on a CC. When we bought a nice house or vehicle that was financed, there was always talk about maintaining good credit and how a good banking relationship is worth a lot. When we bought a $20k SXS We went as a family. I see guys that buy these things and then spend every weekend at the ride park with their buddies and their kids are home with momma or at grandma's house.. Many folks hide their finances from their children. When mine was old enough to understand finances, he new how much money his mother and I made and what it cost to maintain the lifestyle we were used too. If kids see the toys, they will want the toys, I think it worked. He is well rounded, a fine husband, a GREAT father, and provider. Has a beautiful home and is fairly financially sound at 28 yrs old.

I said all of that the to emphasize the need to parent. It all starts at home..

Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121673
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So much to say - but it starts right in the home “little johnny got spared the rod” - ie - look at one r both the parents - end of story

America is losing its work ethic - started in the home. It will go badly in future - for all of us !! Sowing and reaping also accurate - what a shock 🤣🤣😀


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Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: eclipse829] #4121686
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Easy. Parents for several generations have sacrificed their children to obtain comfort, pleasure and easier living. It’s a parents duty and responsibility to raise, nurture, instruct, develop, educate and prepare their kids for adult living and proper decision making. Instead, families have adopted day care, public school indoctrination, video games, cell phones, tv, and entertainers to fill that role while they chase the almighty dollar for more stuff. It’s the name of the game. Gotta work so we can live more comfortably. Society is suffering some major ills due to this mentality. It’s not impossible for both parents to have full time jobs, and raise kids, but it’s certainly challenging and something most can not do effectively. I know this will offend some folks, but if you wanna know what’s wrong that’s it. We put both parents into the work force as common practice, rather than raising families.


Preach it , Brother Brock.


100% truth Matt. My wife was also a business professional, and quickly climbing the corporate ladder, when we decided to have children after being married for 6 yrs. When we did, we also decided at that time, that she would be a stay at home mom and raise our children while I worked. Huge financial sacrifice because she too was making almost six figures back in the late 90s. Granted I've done well so while we certainly were not poor or struggling, it was still a big sacrifice to knowingly and intentionally lose her income, but we decided that some things, namely raising our children right and in a stable Christian home, and the non-monetary rewards that come from it, were worth way more than money. Twenty years later, once they all got through high school and into college, the wife has gone back to work. As a result of our family decisions, we'll both work, for probably another 7-10 years, whereas had we both been working the entire time, we'd easily be in a position to very comfortably retire and just enjoy life, right now, rather than having to wait until we are in our early 60s. Like I said above, it is about priorities and where you place them. If you're going to let someone else babysit, raise, train, educate, develop, discipline, and indoctrinate your children with, and according to their thoughts and beliefs, just so that you can drive a new truck, go on expensive vacations, have an $80k bass boat and $20k SXS, just to keep up with the FB showoffs and neighbors down the street financially, you might need to re-evaluate your priorities. Raising children with a strong Christian foundation and a strong work ethic, into hard working, highly functioning, successful adults, is one of the greatest privileges and gifts that the Lord grants us. There are exceptions to the rule and sometimes both parents have to work to put food on the table, but in general, society and the devil has and continues to push to destroy the traditional nuclear family life, as the Lord designed and intended it to be.






I see a lot of young parents that either have kids before getting married or start spitting them out as soon as the vows are spoken. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but, I do think it ads additional obstacles when supporting and raising kids. My wife and I, very similar to ABOLT300, were married for 7 years prior to having a child. We had had a lot of fun and grew out of our personal kid stage where we wanted to go and do all the time, spend like crazy, vacation, etc. after being married for 2-3 years. Then during the next 4 years prior to our son being born, we were able to "establish" ourselves so to speak, financially with savings, etc. When our son was born, my wife left her professional career for 5 years and stayed home until he started school. 27 yrs ago schools were a little different but, they had already stopped paddling's, etc. My wife and I have always worked, she's a medical professional and I spent many years in a sales/consulting position for a very large corp and then at 50 decided to buy a business and go the self employed route. From the time my son was born, we have strived to be the "Jones's" Not keep up with them. We work very hard and have been blessed to be able to have Land, Nice Homes in good school zones, New Vehicles, $80k Bass Boats, Pontoons, Lake Houses, and take nice vacations. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. I don't say that to brag but I won't ever apologize for it either.

The difference in my situation and a lot of the folks that are mentioned in a lot of post like these, is that when I bought an $80k boat, I took my kid fishing, not my buddy. While we were fishing we discussed life, school, and what it took to be blessed with the ability to have a nice rig like that., HARD WORK. When we took nice vacations, there was always a family discussion about how we saved up to be able to take the nice vacation and not put it on a CC. When we bought a nice house or vehicle that was financed, there was always talk about maintaining good credit and how a good banking relationship is worth a lot. When we bought a $20k SXS We went as a family. I see guys that buy these things and then spend every weekend at the ride park with their buddies and their kids are home with momma or at grandma's house.. Many folks hide their finances from their children. When mine was old enough to understand finances, he new how much money his mother and I made and what it cost to maintain the lifestyle we were used too. If kids see the toys, they will want the toys, I think it worked. He is well rounded, a fine husband, a GREAT father, and provider. Has a beautiful home and is fairly financially sound at 28 yrs old.

I said all of that the to emphasize the need to parent. It all starts at home..


I wasnt in any way saying that having nice things and toys was bad. I'm saying that if those things take priority over your children and being a parent, from a lifestyle and priority standpoint, then you probably need to re-evaluate your priorities. We've had the nice vehicles, always had a bass boat that'll run 70+, real good places to hunt, nice house, etc. even with the wife not working all those years, and we've also done it without going into debt. But we also had the kids in church on Sundays, helped with homework every night, attended all the games and recitals, made them help around the house and do chores, they all got jobs as soon as they were old enough. Point is that a whole lot of people place monetary things and themselves, or their image, in front of parenting their children, when comes to setting their priorities in life. It all starts in the home and it all revolves around having both parents, a man and a wife, in that home, setting the examples and being role models, for that child or children.

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Re: What is wrong with our youths today [Re: deerman24] #4121696
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Baseball scholarship way more important in a 12 year Olds life than teaching him right from wrong

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[I wasnt in any way saying that having nice things and toys was bad. I'm saying that if those things take priority over your children and being a parent, from a lifestyle and priority standpoint, then you probably need to re-evaluate your priorities. We've had the nice vehicles, always had a bass boat that'll run 70+, real good places to hunt, nice house, etc. even with the wife not working all those years, and we've also done it without going into debt. But we also had the kids in church on Sundays, helped with homework every night, attended all the games and recitals, made them help around the house and do chores, they all got jobs as soon as they were old enough. Point is that a whole lot of people place monetary things and themselves, or their image, in front of parenting their children, when comes to setting their priorities in life. It all starts in the home and it all revolves around having both parents, a man and a wife, in that home, setting the examples and being role models, for that child or children.]

You and I are saying the same thing...I was just generalizing how nice toys and such are often frowned upon and said to have a negative effect on our kids. And they absolutely can, without the parenting that you and I both mentioned.

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