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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: Fattyfireplug]
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04/08/24 07:30 PM
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I inspect homes for a living. I like a slab over a crawlspace, but it has it's drawbacks.
Slab. No moisture related mold issues. Less opportunity for pest intrusion, moisture intrusion and mold related issues than an average crawlspace. The downside, when water lines are under the slab (waste lines for certain and more often than not, supply lines as well, when a water line breaks, it's big money. It's harder to remodel and harder to change things in the home.
Crawlspace. When not encapsulated, there will always be moisture intrusion. Ambient air humidity is enough to cause issues. Pests love crawlspaces too. Water lines are much more prone to freezing in crawlspaces, but also easier to repair. Remodel is easy and you can change a ton of stuff relatively easily. A properly encapsulated crawlspace with no air movement to and from the exterior, a dehumidifier in place and properly sealed is a work of art and easy to get around in. These are rare, far and few between. Most crawlspaces suck.
Basement. You get the best of both worlds. Plenty of storage and access to everything. Moisture related problems are easier to prevent and easier to deal with when present. Water lines are easier to access, but in unconditioned spaces they can be prone to rupturing just like a crawlspace.
Proper grading and gutters, along with proper foundation prep work and moisture barrier will prevent many or most problems related to all these foundation types. Grading should slope away a minimum of 6" over 10'. Gutters should terminate and extend a minimum of 18" from the home. Preferably 3' or more. Those things alone will save you a ton of trouble.
As for me, any home I build in the future will have a basement. Concrete. 15' ceilings minimum. There is a lot of other things I'd do, but that's too much typing. I pity the builder if I ever build another home. But, he can tell anyone after that he built the perfect home.
Why 15' + ceilings ? That's a lot of extra cubic feet to heat and cool.
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: 2Dogs]
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04/08/24 09:03 PM
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I inspect homes for a living. I like a slab over a crawlspace, but it has it's drawbacks.
Slab. No moisture related mold issues. Less opportunity for pest intrusion, moisture intrusion and mold related issues than an average crawlspace. The downside, when water lines are under the slab (waste lines for certain and more often than not, supply lines as well, when a water line breaks, it's big money. It's harder to remodel and harder to change things in the home.
Crawlspace. When not encapsulated, there will always be moisture intrusion. Ambient air humidity is enough to cause issues. Pests love crawlspaces too. Water lines are much more prone to freezing in crawlspaces, but also easier to repair. Remodel is easy and you can change a ton of stuff relatively easily. A properly encapsulated crawlspace with no air movement to and from the exterior, a dehumidifier in place and properly sealed is a work of art and easy to get around in. These are rare, far and few between. Most crawlspaces suck.
Basement. You get the best of both worlds. Plenty of storage and access to everything. Moisture related problems are easier to prevent and easier to deal with when present. Water lines are easier to access, but in unconditioned spaces they can be prone to rupturing just like a crawlspace.
Proper grading and gutters, along with proper foundation prep work and moisture barrier will prevent many or most problems related to all these foundation types. Grading should slope away a minimum of 6" over 10'. Gutters should terminate and extend a minimum of 18" from the home. Preferably 3' or more. Those things alone will save you a ton of trouble.
As for me, any home I build in the future will have a basement. Concrete. 15' ceilings minimum. There is a lot of other things I'd do, but that's too much typing. I pity the builder if I ever build another home. But, he can tell anyone after that he built the perfect home.
Why 15' + ceilings ? That's a lot of extra cubic feet to heat and cool. Not in a basement garage it isn't. I have a shop. I want head room in a shop. If there is a finished space in the basement, so be it. But I need that shop space.
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: Chiller]
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04/08/24 09:38 PM
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Thanks for the replies gents. Yall ever seen a slab then 2-3 block up on top of slab so you can run a creeper around? Nope. Wouldn't that be a footer and foundation AKA crawl space , then you pour a slab over the ground ? You'd have to have piers to support load bearing points.
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: Chiller]
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04/08/24 10:06 PM
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Crawl. Concrete is hard on back and joints. Good builder will take care of cons errbidy saying. Encapsulate and grade properly
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: Chiller]
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04/09/24 10:23 AM
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I would prefer to have a crawlspace.. especially if it is going to be a wood exterior house. it gets the bottom of it up off the ground and away from the moisture better. A lot of people dont like their hvac vents in cieling. I dont mind it, so all id have in crawl space would be water lines and drain pipes. Either choice I would want the house spot elevated 12 inches above grade. Save a lot of problems in the long run.
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: Chiller]
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04/09/24 10:33 AM
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Slab!!!! No steps. No moisture!!!
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
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04/09/24 10:48 AM
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I currently have a crawl space, I’d build a slab if building new.
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
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04/09/24 11:22 AM
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I don’t know the cost difference. Don’t underestimate the pain of plumbing in the attic and burst pipes (which is usually how slab houses are built).
The big downside to a crawl space is the moisture and creatures that can get down there. If ANY building has plumbing in the attic.....the plumber needs to be fired!! You "Rough-In" a slab building with the plumbing under the slab.....then 4" of stone or fill sand on top.
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: Chiller]
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04/09/24 02:54 PM
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Thanks for the replies gents. Yall ever seen a slab then 2-3 block up on top of slab so you can run a creeper around? My buddy has one like that. His may be a couple blocks higher but he had it wire with outlets and lights under there when it was being built. He opens the access door, turns on the lights, then scoots around on a creeper. If he needs a power tool, he’s always close to an outlet. It’s a pretty slick setup.
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: ford150man]
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04/09/24 03:50 PM
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Thanks for the replies gents. Yall ever seen a slab then 2-3 block up on top of slab so you can run a creeper around? My buddy has one like that. His may be a couple blocks higher but he had it wire with outlets and lights under there when it was being built. He opens the access door, turns on the lights, then scoots around on a creeper. If he needs a power tool, he’s always close to an outlet. It’s a pretty slick setup. I'll bet $ there was piers under there. More than likely it was built conventional crawl space foundation and then poured. Is the HVAC under there too?
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: Chiller]
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04/09/24 06:38 PM
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Always build on high ground regardless of which style , with proper guttering and backfill. My house is on a slight hill , water runs off 360 degrees . I have a crawl space with only good ground cover and plenty of vents. Termite guy checked the wood moisture a couple weeks ago , it ran 10-11%. If done correctly , the moisture problems listed above for crawl space won't exist . Also, my house is 33 years old and there's not a crack anywhere in the drywall or brick.
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Re: Slab vs Crawlspace
[Re: Chiller]
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04/09/24 07:04 PM
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I live in a flood zone. My house is 7 blocks high. Landscaping is well done. I did it and I hate gutters. 22 years no problems
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