Patently incorrect. Jesus said in John 8:31-32 “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” No mention there of “needing the Spirit to understand it”.

But… in a sense you are correct because 2 Peter 1:21 says the Holy Spirit delivered revelation to prophets who in turn passed it along to people. So… without the Holy Spirit there is no “word of God”.

People miss the actual messaging
I think jwalker gets it or at least I’m in full agreement with with his interpretation

Bill, im very glad we agree on something

It’s good that we have these discussions on our life’s journey of being a better Christian. No matter if it makes us mad or think that we know all the answers.

Leroycnbucks, you are exactly right. Whether we agree or not, God and spiritual things should never leave or be far from our minds. God deserves our attention and our interest. Im afraid a great percentage of those he gave life seldom even consider their creator. That makes my heart hurt, i cant imagine how it makes God feel.

The question of why were some books included in the Bible and others weren't is not as difficult as many make it, IMO. The first 300 years of the church were spent in very difficult times of persecution - getting fed to lions and such. Nobody worries about the canon in times like that. Once the practice of the faith became legal, then it was something the various councils could address.

The general rule in evaluating a writing was if there was strong evidence that it was written by an apostle, or someone closely connected to one. They also wanted the books that the churches had been using; they'd had 300 years to determine that.

There wasn't any question about most of the books we have in the NT, and there wasn't any question about the obvious frauds. The ones that some call the "lost books" of the Bible were never lost at all. They were widely regarded as being pseudonymous, that is, written under a false name. Most of them weren't really attempts to deceive, it was just a style of literature back then. Anyway, excluding them was an easy decision.

There were a few NT books that required serious discussion. Here's where it takes a little faith in God that He was able to lead them to the correct decisions.

There are many translations, and everyone who uses them should understand that they are just translations. I believe that we have every word written in the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts. The problem is that we have some additional things added in places. Some of those came about by copying errors; a few were intentional. The job of conservative scholarship is to continue to strive to determine what the original texts said. I believe that they have done a good job of that. No major doctrine is in question.

Id worry about my own obedience to the Bible instead of the Bible itself. A good day to all!

Great post PCP.

Thank you , Sir.

no bama rich the Wescott and hort come from 3 the vaticanus the sinaticus and the Alexandrian that's all they used that is the critical text. the tyndale the Coverdale the mathews the great Bible the Geneva and king james come from the majority text at the time totaled about 5300 manuscripts today there are 6006 that have been discovered that have byzantine or syriac text type.

the desperate defense of the kjv is so boring. it is a favorite because of tradition. tradition corrupts. there are far better translations. let's get on with the Word.

Could you explain your statement? What translations are better and why. Please give examples from both translations of scriptures which were changed or altered during translation so we can understand the effects of poor translation. Be as detailed as you like because i am very interested in this and would like to understand it clearly.

Before NIV, King James, and everything else was the word. The word is the communication of God to his people, he can use the Bible, the holy spirit, nature or anything he wants to communicate with us.

Paul said it best in 1 Corinthians 2:2 These threads amuse me. Just a bunch of folks arguing their interpretation of the Bible. Everyone thinks they got it right and no one is going to change their mind. Just a waste of time trying to convince others you are right. Paul perfectly summed it up in the verse below.


Paul's Reliance upon the Spirit
1 ¶ And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Yes sir, 100%

when I get some time I'm gonna show u the difference between the critical text and the recievedd text. I'm covered up with building genesis strings right now for the archery in schools

Please mention who decided these things as well. And if those people had any vested interests in the outcome for or against the adoption of their beliefs, that would also be very important.

Yes, yes it would.

The Holy Spirit, God the Father, and God His Son (Jesus) aka the Trinity are the Word of God. Why do you think the word Authority is seen in Mark 1:22, Luke 4:32, Matthew 7:28-29, Matthew 28:18? He spoke with Authority because it was His word. Think about that for a minute. The Spirit of God teaching people about God in a synagogue. That is so powerful....men previously teaching the Word lacked the Spirit of God....that Authority.