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The Bible #4113582
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I've always thought it fascinating how 47 dudes got together at the behest of King James and all decided what books went into our modern bible and which books weren't allowed in. And how for roughly 1600 years of Christianity before that, there was no one set version of "The Bible" and instead the people just had all these various loose collections of all kinds of scriptures.

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The Canon of the Bible was selected by the Council of Rome in 382 A.D. and has remained unchanged since then.

And as much as I love the King James Bible, it's a horrible translation. But basically, King James and his council translated the same Bible that had been in use for 1200 years.

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Originally Posted by joe sixpack

The Canon of the Bible was selected by the Council of Rome in 382 A.D. and has remained unchanged since then.

And as much as I love the King James Bible, it's a horrible translation. But basically, King James and his council translated the same Bible that had been in use for 1200 years.



That's why I like the companion Bible it's KJV with Hebrew and Greek analysis


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Re: The Bible [Re: joe sixpack] #4113613
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Originally Posted by joe sixpack

The Canon of the Bible was selected by the Council of Rome in 382 A.D. and has remained unchanged since then.

And as much as I love the King James Bible, it's a horrible translation. But basically, King James and his council translated the same Bible that had been in use for 1200 years.



Unless you're fluent in the original Koine Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew, all translations contain error. The KJV is a good translation but contains error. Matthew 27:3 incorrectly translates Judas "repented". Only a genuine, born-again Believer can repent or in a Sinner's prayer of salvation, which includes repentance. Judas was destined for destruction. Unless a person studies the Greek texts that are used, and gives an honest defense of why they chose them, they have no real argument as to which translation is best.

The KJV-only crowd, who acts as if Erasmus was inspired when he compiled the Textus Receptus, needs to explain why he used the Vulgate in Revelation, bringing errors into his Greek text that differed with the Majority Texts (as well as the Alexandrian texts). Those proclaiming the supremacy of the KJV are uninformed about how the Bible came to be. 2 Tim 2:15: Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Stand on the Gospel, not on a particular translation.


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Re: The Bible [Re: MarksOutdoors] #4113615
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So everyone is say that God in his infinite wisdom could not control, lead, guide men as He did those that originally wrote the Holy Scriptures and now we have a jumbled up mess with hidden agendas to lead us all astray ?
This should help everyone to feel much better about the versions they’re reading

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Re: The Bible [Re: MarksOutdoors] #4113617
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Joe. the king james is the Bible it is the preserved word of God. that's why it is constantly attacked.satan has been attacking the word of God since the garden of eden when he told eve yeah hath God said?. the king james translators were absolutely brilliant men many spoke 7 or more languages. the king james magnifies Jesus Christ the corrupt modern versions take away from the deity of Christ. there are basically 2 streams of text the Alexandria text type and the Syriac text. in the Alexandria text you thave the vaticanus the sinaticus and the Alexandria. those 3 don't even agree with each other. matter of fact they disagree with each other over 3000 times. the majority text or the Syriac or byzantine which is up to 6000 manuscripts all say the same thing the only difference is spelling. if they found it in Spain they spelled his name Pedro in English we say Peter. but the text was the same. the majority text is where the tyndale the mathews the bishops the Geneva the great Bible and the king james come from. Paul said in Corinthians that we are not as many which corrupt the word of God. they were corrupting the word in Paul's day. Paul and Peter and them were dealing with the gnostic. who did not believe in the deity of Christ. that's why Paul said if anyone preaches a different gospel or a different Jesus let him be accursed. the Alexandrians were a bunch of gnostic led by their cult leader origen.the first mention of the Alexandrians is in the book of acts were they were arguing with Stephen the Christian. the king james is the word of God the modern versions based on the minority text are jesuit catholic bibles.

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This is why praying to God to open your heart and mind to reveal and understand His Word before opening your Bible each time is a blessing. Also praying for Him to reveal something new in passages you have read many times is also enlightening.


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Re: The Bible [Re: deadeye48] #4113619
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Originally Posted by deadeye48
So everyone is say that God in his infinite wisdom could not control, lead, guide men as He did those that originally wrote the Holy Scriptures and now we have a jumbled up mess with hidden agendas to lead us all astray ?
This should help everyone to feel much better about the versions they’re reading

It's amazing to me at the people who proclaim to believe in an all powerful, all knowing God, that think there are things He couldn't do. I don't understand it.


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Marks outdoors Erasmus was fluent in Greek so were the translators of the king james Bible. I'm not king james only I'm also mathews bishops great Bible Geneva. I'm the word of God only. I don't read the corrupt versions of Wescott and hort who were catholic sympathizers.the modern versions based off of Wescott and hort are jesuit catholic bibles. the Bible says that the anti christ would devour the whole earth and that's what the whore of babylon based in Rome has done.

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What about the book of Enoch and a few other books being referenced by some of the Apostles and I think other Old Testament writers?


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I read something in the bible a couple of weeks ago thats left me quite conflicted. It was the part where the woman asked jesus " if a woman has multiple husbands and goes to heaven......" Jesus said you wouldn't recognize any of them, you'll be like the angels. I dont know how to put that into a question. But could someone explain that to me. Will we not recognize our loved ones in heaven?


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king james only here. I won't pick and choose, I trust that God has control over his word.

Re: The Bible [Re: Andalusia] #4113635
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Originally Posted by Andalusia
This is why praying to God to open your heart and mind to reveal and understand His Word before opening your Bible each time is a blessing. Also praying for Him to reveal something new in passages you have read many times is also enlightening.


Exactly....I always ask God to give me an understanding of His Word, before and after I read them. I have to admit, sometimes I don't understand some of the scriptures, but I continue to read to get that understanding over time.....

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Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
I read something in the bible a couple of weeks ago thats left me quite conflicted. It was the part where the woman asked jesus " if a woman has multiple husbands and goes to heaven......" Jesus said you wouldn't recognize any of them, you'll be like the angels. I dont know how to put that into a question. But could someone explain that to me. Will we not recognize our loved ones in heaven?
iam not the final word. But the family is something God made for earth that will not exist in heaven. it is possible that we will recognize family when we get there, but at some point God will wipe away all tears. because alot of family won't be there

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Originally Posted by mathews prostaff
Marks outdoors Erasmus was fluent in Greek so were the translators of the king james Bible. I'm not king james only I'm also mathews bishops great Bible Geneva. I'm the word of God only. I don't read the corrupt versions of Wescott and hort who were catholic sympathizers.the modern versions based off of Wescott and hort are jesuit catholic bibles. the Bible says that the anti christ would devour the whole earth and that's what the whore of babylon based in Rome has done.

Erasmus did learn Greek, but was also very liberal humanistic and remained devoted to the Catholic church. In my reference to Matthew 27:3, the Greek translates that Judas "regretted" (Greek μεταμεληθεὶς). That's not the same as biblical repentance. With that said, I still believe the KJV to be a good, but not inerrant translation.


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Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
I read something in the bible a couple of weeks ago thats left me quite conflicted. It was the part where the woman asked jesus " if a woman has multiple husbands and goes to heaven......" Jesus said you wouldn't recognize any of them, you'll be like the angels. I dont know how to put that into a question. But could someone explain that to me. Will we not recognize our loved ones in heaven?

https://www.gotquestions.org/neither-marry-nor-given-in-marriage.html


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Originally Posted by Antelope08
Originally Posted by Andalusia
This is why praying to God to open your heart and mind to reveal and understand His Word before opening your Bible each time is a blessing. Also praying for Him to reveal something new in passages you have read many times is also enlightening.


Exactly....I always ask God to give me an understanding of His Word, before and after I read them. I have to admit, sometimes I don't understand some of the scriptures, but I continue to read to get that understanding over time.....


Praying to God to guide you in something that is corrupt is utterly useless and all interpretations are corrupt
You need to go to school to learn Corny Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic
Then you find the original text to study and then pray to our Holy God for direction and understanding otherwise we’re all doomed to Gahenna with the devil and the rest of the unbelievers


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the kjv was largely copied from the roman catholic geneva bible; both contain the terrible translation of passover in the disgusting E word, which is a mark of the syncretism used by the roman church to buy pagans. king james also ordered his translators to make it easy to claim apostolic succession for the priests who ordained him which, in turn, framed monarchies in apostolic succession. and, the kjv is in a foreign language that hasn't been spoken for more than 400 years. it might as well be in latin, because it leaves preachers in charge of interpretation rather than the priesthood of believers parsing the Word for themselves.
i happen to be using the Complete Jewish Bible, a messianic jewish translation in common English, which teaches me tiny bit of Hebrew by its illustrative use of Hebrew terms. what an eye-opener it has been.
oh yeah: the use of the E word in place of passover and Resurrection Day is utterly sickening, as are bunnies and eggs, both of which symbolize pagan fertility god worship.


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Originally Posted by MarksOutdoors
Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
I read something in the bible a couple of weeks ago thats left me quite conflicted. It was the part where the woman asked jesus " if a woman has multiple husbands and goes to heaven......" Jesus said you wouldn't recognize any of them, you'll be like the angels. I dont know how to put that into a question. But could someone explain that to me. Will we not recognize our loved ones in heaven?

https://www.gotquestions.org/neither-marry-nor-given-in-marriage.html

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People will not marry or be given in marriage in the resurrected state, but that does not mean people will not remember their earthly relationships. To conclude that people will lose their memories of life before the resurrection stretches the text beyond what it says. Also, being “like the angels in heaven” does not mean that people will become angels, only that they will be like angels regarding marriage.clip

thank you, that makes more sense.

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