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Re: High Fencing
[Re: CNC]
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03/25/24 11:59 PM
03/25/24 11:59 PM
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RareBreed
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I’m not interested in high fencing our property. Couldn’t afford it if I wanted. I would be interested in deterring the deer to cross a power line that neighbors blast everything adjacent to us. Would an electric fence work? I’d have to run it about half a mile. If I could condition the deer to cross at another area of our property, they could cross without getting blasted to hell, and continue to the other side. Anybody have any experience in doing something like this? If it would work, it’d be a heck of a lot less expensive. Can you even run a 8 strand ( or whatever height it would need to be) hot fence?
Just tossing around ideas.
"I didnt mean to kill nobody, I just meant to shoot him once in the head and two times in the chest. Him dying was between he and the Lord." Legendary bluesman R.L. Burnside
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: AU338MAG]
#4106957
03/26/24 01:08 AM
03/26/24 01:08 AM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,247 Oxford, AL. USA
Big Game Hunter
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If I had the money and a few more acres I would high fence for sure. To add to the discussion of a how a small tract can hurt; several years ago a family that joined my place had a smallish tract (47acres) they killed every deer they saw. Any given weekend afternoon I would see a truck with at least 2 in the cab and 3 more in the bed. Every single weekend afternoon I would at least 1 shot. At the end of one particular season I asked one of the guys if they had killed much and said something like 25ish small bucks, a couple 8pts and a dozen or so does. They only hunted it like that for maybe 10 years until someone passed away and now the guy that has it doesn’t let everyone hunt there. But in that 10 year period they significantly affected the hunting on my place and at least one more that joined it. It was crazy. Happening all over Alabama on a much more regular basis than most people realize. In Alabama, if you're actively managing for mature bucks (4 yrs and older), a good rule of thumb is that you should be able to harvest 3-5 bucks per year off 1000 acres depending on the quality of your property and what your neighbors are doing. Basically 1 buck per 200-300 acres, once again depending on land quality and location. Bad neighbors, that 3-5 drops to 0-1 or 0-2. Great neighbors, large landowners all around, all on the same program, real good quality land, letting all bucks younger than 4 walk, you might be able to harvest 6-8/yr or even more, without hurting it, in an established program. So yes, a single 20 acre landowner with 3 sons, all of which can kill 3 bucks each (12 in total per year legally) and unlimited does can absolutely ruin any attempt at managing a 1000 acre property. Or, if it was already being well managed, the 20 acre landowner that moves in and starts shooting any buck they see, can ruin years of management efforts in just a few seasons. 12 bucks a year off the 20 acres will be well in excess of what the guy managing the 1000 acres will harvest/yr and none of the bucks killed on the 20 will grow up, live/stay on, or even spend 10% of their time on that 20 acres. But when they walk across that 20 acre piece, and they will walk across it many times a year and during the season, they'll get whacked. And Matt's right. Small property management, 1000 acres or less, has zero chance of success without the surrounding neighbors being on the same page and working together, or in a best case scenario for the deer manager, not hunting their properties at all. Probably several hundred high fence properties in Alabama Way more than that. There are 298 licensed deer breeders in Alabama currently. That doesn't include the non-licensed that breed and release into their own enclosures.
IKNOWMYPHUCKINGCODEDAMMITYOUDICKHEAD!!!
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: chevydude2015]
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03/26/24 01:12 AM
03/26/24 01:12 AM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,247 Oxford, AL. USA
Big Game Hunter
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Wonder what the biggest high fence in Alabama is? Hoer Contruction guy has one in South Talladega that is over 6,000 acres. I doubt that it the biggest.
IKNOWMYPHUCKINGCODEDAMMITYOUDICKHEAD!!!
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: CNC]
#4106959
03/26/24 01:19 AM
03/26/24 01:19 AM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,247 Oxford, AL. USA
Big Game Hunter
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For those trying to convince the "you're going to hell of you hunt inside of a high fence" guys that some enclosers are just the same as real hunting....you're wasting your time. Years ago, when I was part owners in a high fence operation in Saskatchewan. (I had whitetail deer, elk and bison) I publicly offered a guy that was the most anti-high fence guy I've ever dealt with a free 200" Canadian deer hunt. He jumped at the chance and was all for it when it was free. He went and didn't kill a deer because he didn't see a big one on his trip. He came home with a totally different attitude. (yes there were numerous 200"+ bucks on the 1300-acre wooded property when he was there) The bottom line is if you don't want to hunt inside of an encloser no one is making you. If you want to hunt inside of an encloser who give a phuck what the cuckholds think?
IKNOWMYPHUCKINGCODEDAMMITYOUDICKHEAD!!!
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: therealhojo]
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03/26/24 07:56 AM
03/26/24 07:56 AM
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lectrode
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Wonder what the biggest high fence in Alabama is? Scott Drummond had around 7000 acres before he passed. Who has that place now ?
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: Okatuppa]
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03/26/24 08:17 AM
03/26/24 08:17 AM
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Posts: 19,667 Pelham
Ben2
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I would love to see every inch of private land in Alabama high fenced. That way each land owner would be responsible for his herd. Shoot what you want.
But we couldn’t do that!!! You guys wouldn’t have anything to bitch about! They could still bitch about new trucks and turkey hunting “etiquette” And season dates
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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03/26/24 09:28 AM
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hoggin
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The State dropped the ball years ago by allowing high fencing to happen. Why should the state have any say if they don’t own the land
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: CNC]
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03/26/24 12:07 PM
03/26/24 12:07 PM
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CarbonClimber1
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I could care less..i lived in one for nearly 2 years an its not for me for the most part..bug i tell you how it is in texas..an ill use the place i worked on as an example…we were one of many ranchesin the family of the people i worked for...the smallest in fact at3700 acres or so when i was there..they have expanded now an i believe are rockin on about 6000+ acres now..still the smallest tho…we implemented what they call “EXTREME” trophy management..we were one of 2 that focused primarily on the improvement of whitetail deer,rio grand turkey, and bobwhite quail..an boy..did we have alot of all 3…we maintained at around 1.5-2 deer per acre density an that is extremely high…an we were on a state managed deer management program. We operated with native south texas genetics and only native texas deer…no deer breeding..no genetic manipulation whatsoever from the outside…we operated 3 6 acre pens, we captured native bucks an put them in each pen with 15 does…this is standard practice throughout south texas and every real trophy ranch there tries to do it..most have to deer breed and make scentific deer on much smaller acreages…they are the small time peons. We spent around $25k a month on protein feed alone…not to mention our amenities being of the absolute highest quality, and we were and still are, tho im no longer affiliated with them….one of the highest quality private ranches that DO NOT sell paid hunts in south texas, staye biologists came and inspected our property every year…and we were involved with many research programs in partnership with the kleiberg wildlife institute along with other large private ranches..king ranch being another. Incredible wealth…. unbelievable amounts of money spent to grow these native deer to an age class that can be found nowhere else on earth consistently…and a trophy structure that has been decades in the making…with hundreds of 200in native deer being killed and a good many coming from properties that we managed….all that said….why…would we spend millions every year to improve these lands and create the highest quality habitat you cojld conceive…..an let some redneck with 5 acres next to us kill a 235in deer we have been waiting 7-10 years to kill…or worse…shooting a 175in 2yo that has the potential to be one of the largest native deer ever recorded…hypothetically…i mean…i get why they put up the fence…it aint my thing…but i get it.
"I dont quit.. And ill fight alone if i have to"
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: CNC]
#4107253
03/26/24 12:28 PM
03/26/24 12:28 PM
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Posts: 3,305 Here
Okatuppa
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CarbonClimber1, what made you give up that gig and move to Alabama?
I ain't fightin nobody that swings around in trees with a running chainsaw like Tarzan. - FurFlyin
Oh I just thought u were a dumba$$ 🤣 my apologies… - jb20
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: CNC]
#4107262
03/26/24 12:45 PM
03/26/24 12:45 PM
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Posts: 7,529 Boaz,AL
CarbonClimber1
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Carbonclimber1 was just a ranch hand..i was not important or nothin..an i didnt make much money and had no benefits..i was technically just an intern. I was offered permanent employment..but it just wasnt for me
"I dont quit.. And ill fight alone if i have to"
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: hoggin]
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03/26/24 01:18 PM
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The State dropped the ball years ago by allowing high fencing to happen. Why should the state have any say if they don’t own the land Because apparently your an idiot if you think you can do what you want on your land, or so I've been told on here!
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: hoggin]
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03/26/24 01:27 PM
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Backwards cowboy
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The State dropped the ball years ago by allowing high fencing to happen. Why should the state have any say if they don’t own the land Putting a fence around your property could lead to someone damming up the Alabama River, and we just can't have that!
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: CarbonClimber1]
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03/26/24 01:39 PM
03/26/24 01:39 PM
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Posts: 707 Louisiana to Central AL
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Carbonclimber1 was just a ranch hand..i was not important or nothin..an i didnt make much money and had no benefits..i was technically just an intern. I was offered permanent employment..but it just wasnt for me Could you hunt it at all as a hired ranch hand?
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: Antelope08]
#4107321
03/26/24 01:47 PM
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Posts: 7,529 Boaz,AL
CarbonClimber1
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Carbonclimber1 was just a ranch hand..i was not important or nothin..an i didnt make much money and had no benefits..i was technically just an intern. I was offered permanent employment..but it just wasnt for me Could you hunt it at all as a hired ranch hand? Yes, we were allowed a management deer(150 or less..try to keep it in the 140’s) an we had to hunt does…guests never killed enough…febuary rolled around an all we did was shoot does..sounds great til your cleanin deer at 3am…it was fun til you had to loadem up an start guttinem.
"I dont quit.. And ill fight alone if i have to"
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: CarbonClimber1]
#4107335
03/26/24 01:56 PM
03/26/24 01:56 PM
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Posts: 8,085 Right behind you
Mbrock
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Carbonclimber1 was just a ranch hand..i was not important or nothin..an i didnt make much money and had no benefits..i was technically just an intern. I was offered permanent employment..but it just wasnt for me Could you hunt it at all as a hired ranch hand? Yes, we were allowed a management deer(150 or less..try to keep it in the 140’s) an we had to hunt does…guests never killed enough…febuary rolled around an all we did was shoot does..sounds great til your cleanin deer at 3am…it was fun til you had to loadem up an start guttinem. It was incredibly game rich property. The amount of wildlife there is something most AL hunters can’t comprehend without experiencing first hand. The habitat was superb and only getting better last time I was there.
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: CNC]
#4107340
03/26/24 02:12 PM
03/26/24 02:12 PM
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Posts: 7,529 Boaz,AL
CarbonClimber1
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I did get to participate in pasture cleanouts..from property we bought that was already high fenced and we didnt want whatever they had in there cominglin with what we had…now that was fun…we were ordered to kill everything that moved at all costs…the only thing we didnt shoot were the very few exotics which consisted of a small group of oryx,3 blackbuck does, a couple fallow deer an a few axis as well….now..we layed waste in that place an i mean we did man drives..chasedem in pickup trucks🤷🏻…i mean…gotta do ma job…we got to shoot several decent deer in there..on on my wall com from there..he didnt score but 129 but hes like 26in wide an them chocolate mesquite antlers…there wudnt much left in that olace on account of the previous owners tried to shoot it out before they sold it..they left about 40 deer on a hundred acres or so…an i think i kilt 24 of them🤠
"I dont quit.. And ill fight alone if i have to"
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: abolt300]
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03/26/24 07:26 PM
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Robert D.
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Now if you are bringing in non-native deer or transporting deer in from another area in the state, I'm pretty sure there are quite a few regulations you have to work under there.
That depends on who you are. Taxidermist I know does all the white tails from a maybe 3k acre (I actually thinks it’s less) in West Central Alabama. Last time I was in there in January of 2021 or 2022 there were at LEAST 35 skull plates and antlers waiting to be done. Smallest was maybe 130”. They feed them well and have a breeding program going I’m sure. I don’t believe they grow 40 plus bucks that size in an enclosure that size without bringing in deer. They used to get trailers with bucks and does (mostly bucks I’d imagine) in the middle of the night from Texas, Ohio, Illinois etc. every year. At least that’s what their farm manager told my buddy. People with the money to buy multiple thousand acre parcels and fence them (and keep them up, a significant cost in itself) are subject to different enforcement than you and I.
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Re: High Fencing
[Re: RareBreed]
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03/26/24 07:31 PM
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Robert D.
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I’m not interested in high fencing our property. Couldn’t afford it if I wanted. I would be interested in deterring the deer to cross a power line that neighbors blast everything adjacent to us. Would an electric fence work? I’d have to run it about half a mile. If I could condition the deer to cross at another area of our property, they could cross without getting blasted to hell, and continue to the other side. Anybody have any experience in doing something like this? If it would work, it’d be a heck of a lot less expensive. Can you even run a 8 strand ( or whatever height it would need to be) hot fence?
Just tossing around ideas. Yes. Yes you can. Ride out to Pleasant Hill and look at the electric fence they put around their crop fields. Two strands at 10 and 40” and another outside that at 18” (guesses on heights). I’m sure that’s not cheap but if you’re trying to stop migration on something a mile or less I’d say it’s VERY doable. I don’t know if they have a power pole and meter on every field or if they’re using some solar powered boxes but C would tell you. It’s been EXTREMELY effective. Told me fencing one farm on the road back to 41 made enough difference in yield year over year to pay for fencing everywhere they put it so far.
Last edited by Robert D.; 03/26/24 07:32 PM. Reason: Double quoted
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