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Re: Why Do the Nazi's Still Fascinate Us? [Re: deadeye48] #4102171
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Originally Posted by deadeye48
The only thing that fascinates me about them is the scientist and the things they were able to accomplish that were leaps and bounds ahead of their time


They had the first alien spacecraft in their possession and was reverse engineering it. Our military brought it back with the scientists. I have reasons to believe this is true. My friend was an instructor that formed Top Gun, a hydrogen propelled engineer and He told me things 25yrs ago that's starting to be told today. Only problem is, he died 20 years ago. The guy told me unbelievable stuff. He was a genius too.

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at the end of the war we should of hunted down and executed every damn Nazi they could find.


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It's funny how some of them escaped and continued their nazi culture again in Argentina and other places. They even continued their wicked human experiments and ideology.

They had the coolest uniforms and insignias.

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Hitler also had the best taste in women....blonde hair, blue eyes. If you look around the USA....those traits are getting harder to find. Not as many natural blondes anymore from what I see.

Re: Why Do the Nazi's Still Fascinate Us? [Re: Irishguy] #4102217
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Ironically, their technology that led to nuclear weapons has kept it from happening again. The certainty of nuclear annihilation is a very strong deterrent to attempting world domination. But, I am convinced that it will happen again, and will result in nuclear holocaust when it does.


While a German scientist did discover nuclear fission, if I remember correctly when the allies finally conquered Germany we found that they were no where near as close to developing a nuclear bomb as we were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_program_during_World_War_II#:~:text=The%20scholarly%20consensus%20is%20that,close%20to%20producing%20nuclear%20weapons.

Now what they did have in advance of us was a ballistic missile system. Hence "Project Paperclip."

Yes, that is why I said "led" to nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapon science was born in Germany even though they were unable to develop a nuclear weapon during the war. They were trying.


I agree. I was posting that, because most folks thought and still do think that they were on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon when in fact they still had a ways to go. Had the European conflict drug on, I have no doubts we would have nuked Berlin and possibly another German city or two before we unleashed them on Japan.

From what I understand, it was Germany's inability to enrich uranium in enough quantity to get them there that kept them from being first.

Re: Why Do the Nazi's Still Fascinate Us? [Re: leroycnbucks] #4102372
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Originally Posted by leroycnbucks
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As big and strong and intelligent as the German army was, it wasn’t when it came to fighting on two fronts. When I think of WWII, Hitler and his army I think of how great good is over evil. The main motivator of good is the belief in God.


Had Hitler allied with Russia instead of fighting them, the allies would have been in a world of chit.

It's ironic how we felt we had God on our side (and I'm not saying we didn't) yet we were allied with the Stalinists, which is probably the most Godless regime ever in existence.



Good point. I guess it came down to who was more evil. Stalinists or the devil himself Hitler.


I think it would be a difficult discussion as to who was more evil: Hitler or Stalin That would be close and I could argue that Stalin was worse.

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Originally Posted by Jakethesnake
Originally Posted by deadeye48
The only thing that fascinates me about them is the scientist and the things they were able to accomplish that were leaps and bounds ahead of their time


They had the first alien spacecraft in their possession and was reverse engineering it. Our military brought it back with the scientists. I have reasons to believe this is true. My friend was an instructor that formed Top Gun, a hydrogen propelled engineer and He told me things 25yrs ago that's starting to be told today. Only problem is, he died 20 years ago. The guy told me unbelievable stuff. He was a genius too.

You keep things interesting around here Jake!

Re: Why Do the Nazi's Still Fascinate Us? [Re: Davyalabama] #4102378
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Originally Posted by Davyalabama
Originally Posted by cartervj
Hitler identified the Jews as all the ills of the German people. Jews had all the money and power and kept the average German down.
That’s all it took.

The Jews were the boogeyman, bottom line.


Irish, your original question was "Why do the Nazis still fascinate us?" I think as Cartervj stated, it has to do with the Jews. There is so much Hitler and his regime did, but the world somehow turns against Jews and to a lesser degree Catholics in this country. I'm not comparing the disdain the world has for Jews to Catholics, I'm only giving a very slight reference. The only other group of people that is being victimized more in America than Catholics are white, heterosexual men and white couples. I digress, I think groups are still bringing them up is from the hatred the Nazis had and they have for Jews, it is somehow ingrained in people to destroy this group, we also know where this comes from because we know the Jews are the Lord's people. We also know it wasn't just the Nazis, but throughout history, Jews have been run out of countries. I think it has more to do with the devil using his minions to still attack what God set apart.

Now, if you want to discuss all the scientific breakthroughs the German War Machine had, that to me is an entirely different topic. Wow, the advancements they had from field artillery (the 88, though the 88 had a problem with hitting in the same area twice because of the chassis it was built on), to the tanks, the planes, the jets, submarines, rockets V1 and V2 etc. Yet, the allies developed liberty ships, the merchant marine was revolutionized, radar, sonar, radio, rubber (this can't be stressed enough with tires for more vehicles and for artillery pieces to stay on point), the Nordan bomb sight, breaking both the German and Japanese codes, napalm, the jeep, the M1 and the proximity fuse and the atomic bomb along with the soldiers and lesser generals and colonels being given leeway to alter plans or methods of attack versus being under Hitler and his distrust of subordinates should be mentioned. Now America had the greatest advantage, that was being away from the theaters of conflict. Yes, we had to have a fantastic merchant marine to get it all there, but we didn't have to consistently rebuild factories, we just focused on turning it all out for ourselves and other allies to use.

Wow, what a topic(s) to delve into Irish!



First off I agree about the technology. When we were pulled into the war, (and we can argue if we were tricked into he war by our own government in another post) we were behind on training, tactics, technology and manpower, but we learned quickly, we developed technology quickly and most importantly we built on good old American ingenuity and capitalism to quickly catch up the the Axis and supersede them.

Secondly, I don't necessarily agree that the Jews are main reason for the continued fascination, but it is definitely part of it. Which is why I mention the extermination of the Jews and the mob mentality that it must have took to implement it in the original post.

Great reply. Thanks for posting.

Re: Why Do the Nazi's Still Fascinate Us? [Re: Jakethesnake] #4102382
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Originally Posted by Jakethesnake
Originally Posted by deadeye48
The only thing that fascinates me about them is the scientist and the things they were able to accomplish that were leaps and bounds ahead of their time


They had the first alien spacecraft in their possession and was reverse engineering it. Our military brought it back with the scientists. I have reasons to believe this is true. My friend was an instructor that formed Top Gun, a hydrogen propelled engineer and He told me things 25yrs ago that's starting to be told today. Only problem is, he died 20 years ago. The guy told me unbelievable stuff. He was a genius too.



There are lots of people that think the Nazi's still have a secret underground base in Antarctica and this is where all of the UFO's are coming from. There are stories of Admiral Byrd's mission and how they were attacked by UFO's that belonged to a secret Nazi base.

Google "Operation Highjump" and do a deep dive into the conspiracy theory surrounding it. It's a pretty fun ride.

Re: Why Do the Nazi's Still Fascinate Us? [Re: Fattyfireplug] #4102434
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Whatever else you may say about the man, Hitler motivated people in ways nobody has been able to since.

What I've never understood is the hate between Socialist Nazis and Communists. From where I'm sitting, it's about the same thing.


This is googles answer. "Stalinism, and communist ideology in general, is universal in its appeal and addresses itself to all the "workers of the world." Nazism, on the other hand, and fascist ideology in general, can only address itself to one particular race or nation, i.e. the "master race" that is destined to dominate all others."

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A people that felt betrayed after WW1, saddled with insurmountable reparations, massive debt and inflation, no jobs and worthless money is pretty easy to manipulate by a gifted charismatic orator. He gave them a scapegoat that historically had been thought of as taking advantage of the poor and less fortunate. It’s easy to make those people seem less than human. Desperate people result to desperate measures. Really to understand the mentality of the Germans and some French in WW2 you have to understand the ramifications of what happened from/in WW1.


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While a German scientist did discover nuclear fission, if I remember correctly when the allies finally conquered Germany, we found that they were nowhere near as close to developing a nuclear bomb as we were.


Correct. In fact, they had for all practical purposes completely halted the entire program long before the end of the war. I think the legend of German superiority in such matters is highly overrated.

Germany had good scientists and engineers and they had some areas where they were more advanced. But the US had areas where it had the edge also. The atomic program has already been mentioned. The US and England had better sonar and radar. The US developed a proximity fuse for its anti-aircraft shells that made them far more effective than anyone else's anti-aircraft guns. The M1 Garand was more effective than the German k98. The US had much better heavy bombers than Germany. In fact, Germany never managed to produce a good 4 engine bomber and it desperately needed one. They also attempted and failed miserably to produce a functional aircraft carrier whereas the US produced many of them. The US also possessed a genius for mass production the Germans could only dream of. The US and England were also better code breakers. And most of the areas where the allies had a technological edge were areas that actually made a difference in the war.

Sure, the V2 was cool technology for the time period but at the end of the day it was pretty worthless. It did not have any positive effect on the war for Germany. For all the money, time, resources, and manpower they poured into that project what did it give them? It was able to deliver one good sized bomb. How accurately? Well, you could get it to hit somewhere in a city the size of London. The payload from one B-17 would do more damage. And as inaccurate as high altitude bombing with B-17s was it was still more accurate than a V2.

The ME 262 was a better jet performance wise than the allies had but it had problems no one talks about as well. It had a terrible range. But since by the time it went into use it was literally taking off and fighting in the sky above its own airfield this wasn't an issue. Also go look up the engine life on the 262. They would literately only last a matter of hours before they had to be replaced or rebuilt. Under normal circumstances these things would have been unacceptable. But when massive armies are about to roll over your whole country and obliterate your ass then frack it. You throw everything you got at the wall and hope something sticks.

And that's a good point to close on. There is an old saying, "necessity is the mother of invention". Germany tried to develop more of these wonder weapon projects than the allies because,.....well, they had to. Despite the propaganda they were spewing to the people they knew they were getting their asses kicked. Without a miracle they were going to get skull dragged and they knew it. So, they poured money, time, and tons of resources into these long shot weapons programs. A few panned out to some extent. But for every one that did there were 5 that failed utterly. By contrast the US, England and Russia had no need to divert huge amounts of valuable resources into such risky longshots. They were winning with what they were already doing.

Only 20 percent of the German army in WW2 was mechanized. The rest were dependent on 2.7 million horses to move supplies and equipment. Most modern mechanized army the world has ever seen my ass.





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Originally Posted by Skullworks
A people that felt betrayed after WW1, saddled with insurmountable reparations, massive debt and inflation, no jobs and worthless money is pretty easy to manipulate by a gifted charismatic orator. He gave them a scapegoat that historically had been thought of as taking advantage of the poor and less fortunate. It’s easy to make those people seem less than human. Desperate people result to desperate measures. Really to understand the mentality of the Germans and some French in WW2 you have to understand the ramifications of what happened from/in WW1.



Great answer!

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Operation paperclip they just brought the scientists here to continue the same shitt they was doing there instead of giving them a bullet.

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We talking about the National SOCIALIST workers party of German?


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Originally Posted by Beer Belly
We talking about the National SOCIALIST workers party of German?



Yup but they’re not socialist they say


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Originally Posted by Irishguy
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Originally Posted by leroycnbucks
As big and strong and intelligent as the German army was, it wasn’t when it came to fighting on two fronts. When I think of WWII, Hitler and his army I think of how great good is over evil. The main motivator of good is the belief in God.


Had Hitler allied with Russia instead of fighting them, the allies would have been in a world of chit.

It's ironic how we felt we had God on our side (and I'm not saying we didn't) yet we were allied with the Stalinists, which is probably the most Godless regime ever in existence.



Good point. I guess it came down to who was more evil. Stalinists or the devil himself Hitler.


I think it would be a difficult discussion as to who was more evil: Hitler or Stalin That would be close and I could argue that Stalin was worse.

point of information, they were allies with the russians up until Barbarossa


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point of information, they were allies with the Russians up until Barbarossa


Yep. They conspired together to simultaneously invade and divide up Poland.


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point of information, they were allies with the Russians up until Barbarossa


Yep. They conspired together to simultaneously invade and divide up Poland.


Yep... And like i said had they stayed allied with Germany and fought on their side during the war it would have been a tough row to how for the Allied forces. There's an argument to be made that we wouldn't have won the war and the world would be a very different place right now.

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