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2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/14/24 06:13 PM
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I was reading and article a few days ago that stated "3 lug bolts are found on entry level rifles".
Granted, the Ruger American, CVA Cascade (built by Bergara) etc have 3 lug designs, but I don't see how that is a cost saving measure.
My thinking is it requires more maching to build a 3 lug bolt and to have the receiver cut for it than it does a 2 lug gun. Not to mention, it requires less bolt lift to cycle the action than it does with a 2 lug design.
Thoughts?
Last edited by gundoc; 03/14/24 06:17 PM.
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/14/24 06:34 PM
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Interesting article. Must have been a Remmy fan boy.
Some of my favorite rifles are 3 lug: Cooper’s, A-Bolt’s, Fierce Carbon Fury, Sako 75/85. None of which I’d consider entry level
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/14/24 09:59 PM
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I’ve owned both and prefer the shorter throw of the 3 lug designs. That said, aren’t tikkas 2 lug with a short throw?
I can’t tell a difference in accuracy. I’ve had both that shoot lights out.
Last edited by burbank; 03/14/24 10:00 PM.
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
[Re: gundoc]
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03/15/24 06:03 AM
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The Husqvarna rifles I have are 3 lug but not in the traditional sense These have two at the front and one at the rear
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/15/24 11:24 AM
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Anyone can write an article nowadays the internet is full of complete garbage there are almost as many experts on guns as their are "gunsmiths".....
The barrier to entry is pretty much ZERO. It's a shame but reality. People are generally stupid and don't know what they are talking about so here we are.
The good news for y'all is that you've got me. So you won't be nearly as stupid and clueless as the other guys but y'all do still try really hard.
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/15/24 04:33 PM
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I want one of the new Bat machine Neuvo 2 lug actions that lock up horizontal instead of vertical
Last edited by 1bamashooter; 03/15/24 04:34 PM.
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/16/24 11:29 AM
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How about 6 lug and 9 lug? Clearly bargain basement offerings.
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/16/24 06:18 PM
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The article in question was an American Rifleman piece on the CVA Cascade bolt action. It's basically a 3 lug Bergara. Judging by the price I don't see "entry level", they run neck and neck with some Bergara B14 models. Externally the receivier is a Bergara B14 with the only differnce being a 3 lug design. Same barrel, same stock as some Begaras just a different finish.
I had one in last week becuse it "wouldn't group". Sure enough, it wouldn't group with some 150gr ammo, but it stacked Federal Premiums loaded with Nosler 150 ballistic tips. It also liked 168gr Match KIngs
The story I was told was that the Cascade was sold and returned by the buyer because it would not group. To satisfy the customer, the seller refunded the purchase price and then sold them a Begara because the buyer refused to find ammo the gun would shoot since all his other guns would shoot the ammo he was using
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/17/24 08:44 PM
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^^^ What? Surely EVERY rifle should like the cheapest, off the shelf ammo? I know, right?!? ... go figure
There are two types of gun enthusiasts ... Those who have been F#CKED by PTG and those who will be!
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/18/24 07:35 AM
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I was reading and article a few days ago that stated "3 lug bolts are found on entry level rifles".
Granted, the Ruger American, CVA Cascade (built by Bergara) etc have 3 lug designs, but I don't see how that is a cost saving measure.
My thinking is it requires more maching to build a 3 lug bolt and to have the receiver cut for it than it does a 2 lug gun. Not to mention, it requires less bolt lift to cycle the action than it does with a 2 lug design.
Thoughts? Doc , I don't think with todays CNC machines there would be enough difference in the machining a 2 to 3 lug to move the price needle. Now back in the day of all manual machining possibly . Disclaimer : I've never machined a receiver or bolt, manual or CNC so it's just an educated guess.
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Re: 2 Lug vs 3 Lug Bolts
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03/18/24 05:39 PM
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Many "Group" benchresters have left the 2 lug Kelby Stoole panda in favor of the Bat 3 lug. The groups just keep shrinking.. Now a days a 1/4" 5 shot group aggerate will be close to last place I like the 2 lug because it's less upset on the rifle when opening the bolt the 3 is faster because of the shorter throw but seems it takes more force to open that's just my observations from shooting both
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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