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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
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02/27/24 11:57 AM
02/27/24 11:57 AM
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Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 2,183 Central to South AL
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I have not been around here long. And to Matt's point & CNC's questions... You could not find 5 of us IDOTS to agree on ANYTHING about deer management/Buck or Doe harvest limits/licensing/season length/ and the list goes on. We don't need to re-invent the wheel. I hope someone with the true best interest of the resource ( primarily deer and Turkeys) as well as predators threatening all our game takes a look west to see how you do it. We might end up with something I don't agree with, who knows, but i will abide by the law. Seems at times we have a "too many cooks are "spoiling the broth" situation so to speak. No one on here has enough self control to accomplish anything on their own. Neither do your /my club members or adjacent landowners. I don't see anyone paying $5500-7500 to hunt free range Deer in Alabama, because you could never justify a 10% kill ratio for those that bought the opportunity here. maybe no one wants out of state folks coming. TX and Midwest long ago figured out how to monetize deer hunting. But the harvest concepts are solid. Maybe we need a benevolent dictator calling the shots . We cannot decide what is best due to self interest. and operating cooperatively is a lot of hard work and denial of self interest. At about a $3.2 Billion dollar or more impact to Alabama, we need better qualified people than we have making decisions. Experts are expensive, but damn amateur's will ruin it for you.
WDE
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
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02/27/24 02:00 PM
02/27/24 02:00 PM
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 52,226 Gee's Bend/At The Hog Pen
James
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 52,226
Gee's Bend/At The Hog Pen
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After reading a few fellers comments on here, i can see why the fun is just being SUCKED RIGHT OUT OF HUNTING.
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom? Everyone. All of them...
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: Nightwatchman]
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02/27/24 02:44 PM
02/27/24 02:44 PM
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Joined: Nov 2011
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abolt300
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No idea why you would say "3 buck limit" when you really dont want people killing 3 bucks after all. That doesnt make any sense.
While you're at it, maybe you can try to get the state to outlaw side by sides, 4wd trucks and bolt action rifles. Those things make deer hunting easier too. Wouldn't want someone to make their way down a muddy road in a Z71 to get closer to where a deer might live
You better not have owned a single trail camera in the last 10 years if you are gonna stick to your guns saying they should be illegal.
And dont feed me that line of BS that they are a good management tool but "shouldnt be used to actually take deer."....I have never in my life been sitting on the couch, got a pic of a deer and then thought to (or even been able to) run out there and kill it. But what I have been able to do is get a pic of one texted to me so I don't have to drive to the property every weekend to check a camera.
You cant legislate people into hunting deer ethically, all you're doing is making it harder on the good guys.
A lot of people on here are adamant about keeping the 3 buck limit and actually feel that there should not be any buck limit. There are also plenty of proponents for essentially unlimited doe killing and a deer season lasting 4 full months with 3 of those months being gun season. This is an exchange of ideas, so y'all step up and change some minds. I'd like for some of y'all to step up and please explain why there is a need and why it is so vitally important that someone should be able to kill 3 bucks in a season, and exactly how that and how keeping the current regulations actually help Alabama's deer herd and protect and improve the resource, not only for our hunting over the next 2-10 yrs but for future generations too. I've got no problem with someone shooting a 2 yr old buck, their first buck, their best buck, or whatever. I'll be happy for them, even if it was something that I'd never think about shooting, and it should be celebrated if the hunter is happy. But explain why a grown man needs to shoot a 90" 2 yr old 8 point (no problem there, if that buck floats their boat) but then they follow it up with a 1.5 yr old 4 point and a 2 yr old 6 point. Like I said, how does that help improve the state's already piss poor buck/doe ratio and buck age structure, or otherwise maintain or improve the overall health and population of the state's deer herd?
Last edited by abolt300; 02/27/24 02:58 PM.
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: James]
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02/27/24 02:50 PM
02/27/24 02:50 PM
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Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 2,668 Alabama
OlTimer
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10 point
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Alabama
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After reading a few fellers comments on here, i can see why the fun is just being SUCKED RIGHT OUT OF HUNTING.
Yep! Don't want to hunt after January 31, don't. Want a 2 buck limit, don't shoot the third one, Walk the walk...quit worrying about everybody else. It's getting worse than a bunch of old women on some of these topics. I like discussion but some of you folks ideas don't match mine. At all.
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
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02/27/24 03:36 PM
02/27/24 03:36 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,768 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,768
Awbarn, AL
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Before anyone even remotely considers a 2 buck limit there needs to be enforcement of what we already have now.......Without it you're only changing things for the really, really honest hunter
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: CNC]
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02/27/24 03:58 PM
02/27/24 03:58 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 15,864 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 15,864
Elmore County
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Before anyone even remotely considers a 2 buck limit there needs to be enforcement of what we already have now.......Without it you're only changing things for the really, really honest hunter I don't see all the lawlessness people talk about on here .
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
#4091586
02/27/24 03:58 PM
02/27/24 03:58 PM
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Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,672 Madison, AL
wmd
10 point
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10 point
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Madison, AL
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Back the way it was when I first started hunting in Alabama (Limestone & Madison Counties specifically). Buck a day and gun does day ended 1st week of January. Maybe the herd wasn't as "healthy" but at least the hunting seemed to be better back then (at least where I hunted).
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" - D.L. Cheney and R.M. Seyfarth
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: wmd]
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02/27/24 04:30 PM
02/27/24 04:30 PM
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Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172 Alabama
RandanAL
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3 point
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Alabama
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Back the way it was when I first started hunting in Alabama (Limestone & Madison Counties specifically). Buck a day and gun does day ended 1st week of January. Maybe the herd wasn't as "healthy" but at least the hunting seemed to be better back then (at least where I hunted). When did you first start hunting those areas? A LOT of the ag in those areas is now subdivisions and a lot of the parcels have been broken up. Ten-fifteen years ago we had permission on a few parcels but zero now. Some developed others broken up and sold. The fragmentation and loss of habitat have to be contributing factors.
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
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02/27/24 05:52 PM
02/27/24 05:52 PM
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Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 2,183 Central to South AL
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8 point
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There are old school hunters/ new school hunters/stone cold kill'em all hunters. Probably some overlap between the three. Is there middle ground we can find to gain some agreement in those 3 broad groups? in any event , we have to have leadership that wants to find a solution in a way that is good for management. Said people are not in charge now.
WDE
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: AUbowhunter1990]
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02/28/24 05:09 AM
02/28/24 05:09 AM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 15,864 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Elmore County
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A lot of people who complain about low deer numbers/piss poor quality are also shooting 50-70 inch deer the first chance they get. Im definitely not in the camp of telling people what to do on their own land but a little restraint would go a long way. i heard these words come out of a guys mouth once ,,,,,, all we ever killed is spikes and four points we never see any big bucks . . they had killed 14 young bucks that year
Last edited by Frankie; 02/28/24 05:11 AM.
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: Frankie]
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02/28/24 08:38 AM
02/28/24 08:38 AM
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Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,477 Mobile, AL
Pwyse
10 point
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10 point
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Mobile, AL
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A lot of people who complain about low deer numbers/piss poor quality are also shooting 50-70 inch deer the first chance they get. Im definitely not in the camp of telling people what to do on their own land but a little restraint would go a long way. i heard these words come out of a guys mouth once ,,,,,, all we ever killed is spikes and four points we never see any big bucks . . they had killed 14 young bucks that year Yep. And they kill em with the excuse of “if I don’t someone else will” I get zero enjoyment of seeing, much less killing, a 2-3 year old buck. But that’s just me. I know some people love walking up on that 13” wide skinny horned 8 point that looks like a doe with antlers. Everyone wants to kill bigger bucks but no one wants to make the sacrifices to get there.
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Re: Rule changes proposal suggestions
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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02/28/24 08:47 AM
02/28/24 08:47 AM
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Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,477 Mobile, AL
Pwyse
10 point
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10 point
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Mobile, AL
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$2,000 a year. Your allowed one mature buck over 5 years of age and no more than 5 does a year. Who’s in? 900 acres and only 6 members. Camp house and turkey rights included?
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