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Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4071708
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He just needs time. Don't give up on him. The problem with ADD is that it delays brain development. He is acting more like a 14yr old than an 18yr old. Due to ADD.

Have him take the ASVAB to see what score he gets. If he does well, then military may be a good choice, because they will put him down a career path.

Both of you go see a counselor. Call the school and have the counselor there talk with him. What does he want to do in the future?


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Re: Troubled child? [Re: hoggin] #4071715
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Originally Posted by hoggin
I know I’ll take a beating but

A. I think add adhd is probably real and way over diagnosed and used as an excuse and I’ve proven it
B. I wrote the book you’re reading with my middle son until one day I beat his ass until my wife got between us. ADD/ADHD cured instantly and I dared him to call anyone cause when I get outta jail I’d finish what I started

All 3 of my younger boys were diagnosed and medicated for ADD/ADHD when they lived with their mother and were in terrible shape, terrible grades, kicked outta school over and over, disrespectful and general problems. I got custody of them when Austin was 10 and the twins were 7
The meds went away and the leather rolled in. By 9 the twins had completely turned around A students and all in on life, pleasures to be around although slightly hard headed like their mother. Both attended JCIB for Jr high and high school with honors Jt graduated early, Trevor graduates this year on schedule by choice as he to could has easily graduated. Austin was a challenge, better, but always something. He spent a year with nothing allowed in his room he didn’t wear or need to sleep. At 14 he decided to swing at me for “hitting” him with a belt. Belt down, ass whooping is on. Never had a disrespectful moment sense.
Austin is definitely slightly autistic and beyond intelligent read, write and speak 7 languages fluently self taught. Knows more about a computer than bill gates ever did, I’ve got friends who are professional IT guys that called him for help by the time he was 12. He now manages an IT department for the state of Florida and even though we disagree on a lot, we can be friends.
I’d say ass whoopin works

Waiting until mid to late teens to start would probably make things much more difficult but damn if I wouldn’t break a sweat trying


Same philosophy my parents raised me and my brother with
I was told I was owed nothing and if I kept on acting like I was I;d find myself living under a bridge eating crawfish from the creek
Squared me away rather quickly


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Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4071719
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Mark Twain said “When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”

JT calls it old man stupid, anytime he needs my help or advice it’s “Hey, can I borrow some old man stupid”.

Re: Troubled child? [Re: top cat] #4071737
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Originally Posted by top cat



I had similar. Was given a book by a counselor. How to take control of your teenage child. Took some doing but finally worked. Good as gold 15 years later.


God is gold, yep that right there.

Don't give up, be consistent in prayer.

There have been a lot that started out your son's way, it sure is difficult as a parent to just sit back and let them go through it. As men, we want to fix things, and we want it fixed A.S.A.P. God doesn't work that way, iron has to sharpen iron. However, it also takes the right iron, soft iron may not be what is needed here. There is a book by Batterson that may help, it is about drawing a circle around your child/teenager.


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Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4071771
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Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4071785
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Two boys both in their early 20’s now and we still just take it day by day. I can honestly say I’ve considered everything mentioned in the previous posts at some point in time.

I know it sounds cliche to some but pray for Gods wisdom and guidance to lead your son.

Be patient and persistent. One of the last things my father told me before he passed was that being a good father would take more patience than I could ever imagine. My father was truly a Godly man and I have drawn strength from this more times than I can count.

Prayers for you and your family.

Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4071794
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No on the GF and add meds. Adderall XR works, but it's been hard to get. I've gotten 3 different scripts, one was vyvanse which works well for me, and he takes 3 or 4 pills and says they don't work. That's part of the issue, if he took it for a few weeks, then it would be easier to tell. But vyvanse isn't a cheap one either.

He wants to be a fireman. He's been to alabaster and they tested him on the physical test, you have 8 minutes to do it and he did it in 4. Beat everyone in the class. They will hire him when he graduates, assuming he does, and will send him to emt/paramedic school, but then I go, how the heck is he gonna pass that if he won't even do school work now?

Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4071851
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Sounds like me at that age. Best thing you can do is let him be ndependent. I don't know the exact law but 18 is a grown man in my book. He needs to be on his own. The ADD crap.is b.s. everything you describe is normal 18 y.o. behavior. Just like a buck growing up and getting pushed out of the doe group, it's biology. Let your relationship change from parent child to equals which is only possible if you give him total independence. My relationship got much better with my Dad when that happened. All the suddenly Dad seemed smarter and he thought I seemed more humble.

Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4071870
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Iam rooting for you lockjaw, iam kindof in the same but a few years down the road. The bible says you bring them up in the way of the Lord and they will return to it. I just always hope I did good enough cause the worlds ready to swallow them up. My dad was one of the most Godly men and studied the bible for hours a day and it took me about 12 years to return.

Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4071910
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Sorry for the situation, hopefully this too will pass.
Military and request fireman training may be best option.

One thing you mentioned about his cell phone being paid by his mother if he goes there….to my way of thinking, if my kids were not following our guidance then the cell phone would be the first thing to go!!
Praying for the best outcome!


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Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4072031
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I hate your having to go through this. Hopefully he will straighten up.

Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4072063
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
No on the GF and add meds. Adderall XR works, but it's been hard to get. I've gotten 3 different scripts, one was vyvanse which works well for me, and he takes 3 or 4 pills and says they don't work. That's part of the issue, if he took it for a few weeks, then it would be easier to tell. But vyvanse isn't a cheap one either.

He wants to be a fireman. He's been to alabaster and they tested him on the physical test, you have 8 minutes to do it and he did it in 4. Beat everyone in the class. They will hire him when he graduates, assuming he does, and will send him to emt/paramedic school, but then I go, how the heck is he gonna pass that if he won't even do school work now?




Have you straight out asked him why he isn't interested in doing the school work in high school? It could be as simple as the subjects he is taking just do not interest him. Is there a class that he does actually do well in, and if so, does it fall in line with what he would be learning as a FF/EMT/paramedic? It seems reasonable to me that if someone already has no interest in the subject matter then having ADD on top of that would be very difficult to have the motivation to do the required work in the class.


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He thinks school serves no purpose. He doesn't think any of it matters or will help him. I don't know, paying attention in english class and learning how to spell might be useful. Call me crazy. And of course nothing is his fault. Its the terrible teacher. I said, I bet someone in the class has an A.

The ADHD paralysis could be part of it. It would be helpful if he just took his meds.

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
He thinks school serves no purpose. He doesn't think any of it matters or will help him. I don't know, paying attention in english class and learning how to spell might be useful. Call me crazy. And of course nothing is his fault. Its the terrible teacher. I said, I bet someone in the class has an A.

The ADHD paralysis could be part of it. It would be helpful if he just took his meds.


Remind him that he doesn't have far to go and without that little piece of paper called a diploma he is going to have a hard time getting hired in the field he wants to go in to. Tell him to tough it out a little longer and it will be so much easier if he took his meds.


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Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4073263
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I have 6 kids (step and biological) and had 2 foster children. Today I have 8-16 under my roof and 21 & 22 attending Auburn. This isnt a child we are talking about. He is 18 years of age. You arent going to change him nor his upbringing in a couple of months. Once 18, the rules all change. Also

Why does he have a xbox?
How does see his GF. Have a car?
No cell phone
no social life
TV would be password protected
Internet would be password protected
Does he have anything in his room more than a bed and dresser?
Everything above the living conditions of a jail will be earned (grades, chores, repect)


If things are radically changed, his 19th birthday would be him giving me the key to my house and a garage bag of clothes and $200. Sadly he has victim mentality and that is hard to break until one hits bottom. Lastly pray like you have never prayed before. I will be for yall




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Re: Troubled child? [Re: Lockjaw] #4073585
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
He thinks school serves no purpose. He doesn't think any of it matters or will help him. I don't know, paying attention in english class and learning how to spell might be useful. Call me crazy. And of course nothing is his fault. Its the terrible teacher. I said, I bet someone in the class has an A.

The ADHD paralysis could be part of it. It would be helpful if he just took his meds.



Has he ever been tested for dyslexia? Your son shows the same symptoms as mine did. Turns out, he had severe dyslexia.

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No he hasn't be tested for Dyslexia. I don't think he has that, he can do well in school if he does his work. I emailed a psychiatrist office, so maybe I can get in and look into that ADHD paralysis. He does well on adderall XR, but... finding it isn't simple.

He no longer has an Xbox. He doesn't have a car either. He has no social life. I told him last night the phone is next if grades don't come up. He sees his GF when she picks him up for school and I presume drives him home or to work. You would think she would get tired of his constantly being grounded. He has a bed, dresser and clothes. He has a computer screen that doesn't do anything. That's about it.

The school has been useless. All the hype about Shelby County Schools being so awesome is BS. My high school was bigger, and we didn't have 2 assistant princpals and like 4 counselors. It's like going to the DMV, you have to go, and you are stuck with what you get.

The real issue is he just doesn't GAF. I don't get it. School now is a cake walk compared to when I went.

I get an email from one of his teachers about him using his phone in class. I said take it away from him. Need me to sign something? I mean the school seems to think I can manage his behavior when I am at work even. I am a single parent. I can't just be running all over god and country every day because he won't get off his butt.


He is so pie in the sky. The real world is going to yank his chain really had.

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
No he hasn't be tested for Dyslexia. I don't think he has that, he can do well in school if he does his work. I emailed a psychiatrist office, so maybe I can get in and look into that ADHD paralysis. He does well on adderall XR, but... finding it isn't simple.

He no longer has an Xbox. He doesn't have a car either. He has no social life. I told him last night the phone is next if grades don't come up. He sees his GF when she picks him up for school and I presume drives him home or to work. You would think she would get tired of his constantly being grounded. He has a bed, dresser and clothes. He has a computer screen that doesn't do anything. That's about it.

The school has been useless. All the hype about Shelby County Schools being so awesome is BS. My high school was bigger, and we didn't have 2 assistant princpals and like 4 counselors. It's like going to the DMV, you have to go, and you are stuck with what you get.

The real issue is he just doesn't GAF. I don't get it. School now is a cake walk compared to when I went.

I get an email from one of his teachers about him using his phone in class. I said take it away from him. Need me to sign something? I mean the school seems to think I can manage his behavior when I am at work even. I am a single parent. I can't just be running all over god and country every day because he won't get off his butt.


He is so pie in the sky. The real world is going to yank his chain really had.


Sounds like you are talking about my son. He is now on academic probation and if his grades don't improve, he gets to go waste his time in public school next year. At least I won't be wasting 6k for tuition in private school.

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
No he hasn't be tested for Dyslexia. I don't think he has that, he can do well in school if he does his work. I emailed a psychiatrist office, so maybe I can get in and look into that ADHD paralysis. He does well on adderall XR, but... finding it isn't simple.

He no longer has an Xbox. He doesn't have a car either. He has no social life. I told him last night the phone is next if grades don't come up. He sees his GF when she picks him up for school and I presume drives him home or to work. You would think she would get tired of his constantly being grounded. He has a bed, dresser and clothes. He has a computer screen that doesn't do anything. That's about it.

The school has been useless. All the hype about Shelby County Schools being so awesome is BS. My high school was bigger, and we didn't have 2 assistant princpals and like 4 counselors. It's like going to the DMV, you have to go, and you are stuck with what you get.

The real issue is he just doesn't GAF. I don't get it. School now is a cake walk compared to when I went.

I get an email from one of his teachers about him using his phone in class. I said take it away from him. Need me to sign something? I mean the school seems to think I can manage his behavior when I am at work even. I am a single parent. I can't just be running all over god and country every day because he won't get off his butt.


He is so pie in the sky. The real world is going to yank his chain really had.



I would take his phone now. No need to reward bad behavior, either make the grades to get the phone, or buy your own. My son also lives with me, his mother lives a TOTALLY different life than we do. So I understand what you are going through. I really hate it for you.

But please keep in mind, how your daddy motivated you, may not motivate him. Figure out what makes him click and go from there. He will make it. Don't give up. Just figure out what motivates him.


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