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Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: cgardner] #4069276
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Originally Posted by cgardner
Wish they would go to a 2 buck limit.



as long as wives and kids can still kill what ever ?????

and bow hunter still can kill ohhhhhhh fair bucks ????

i hear a lot of people wanting and a lot of folks not doing

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Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: CNC] #4069277
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Education is the only thing that will truly change anything. But rifle days do need to be shortened in areas without February breeding.

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: Mbrock] #4069281
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
But rifle days do need to be shortened


I would never edit a post to alter what a feller said….but, I agree 100% grin

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: Mbrock] #4069283
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Education is the only thing that will truly change anything. But rifle days do need to be shortened in areas without February breeding.



hell Matt , i hunted what 45 years i never needed Feb extended season . i got basket of horns and sold a butt load of racks for rattling horns .

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: Mbrock] #4069285
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
See and that’s where it can’t be a one size fits all. We do NOT need a reduction in doe says in our area. People already aren’t killing does and they’re everywhere. Nobody here complains about not seeing deer. That applies to most every county I work in in west central and north west AL. No one is advocating for fewer doe days here or for doe harvest to be limited. They didn’t during the 2 a day years either.



Yep! I agree!


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Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: turkey247] #4069286
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Originally Posted by turkey247
Originally Posted by Mbrock
But rifle days do need to be shortened


I would never edit a post to alter what a feller said….but, I agree 100% grin

That’s better but I’m trying to compromise 😂😂

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: CNC] #4069292
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Leave us alone. With the price of a non resident Alabama license, I need all the days I can get for that price.


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Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: CNC] #4069297
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Matt do the other states in the mid west that you and others mentioned that had it figured out as far as managing the deer herd goes have different doe limits for different parts of the state? Or do they manage the herd as a whole?

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: CNC] #4069298
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hunters want it made easier to kill bucks and then complain about not having bucks ,

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I still contend that pressure is the largest issue we have in Alabama, hence my actual reason for my season “recommendation”. It’s so much easier to pass on bucks when you are seeing plenty. When it’s a big deal to someone to kill a buck, and they aren’t seeing enough to make them believe they will have a chance at a better one, they will shoot something. The pressure most properties get make seeing good bucks tough for the average hunter even with 9 cell cameras and 12 feeders.

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: blade] #4069302
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Originally Posted by blade
I still contend that pressure is the largest issue we have in Alabama, hence my actual reason for my season “recommendation”. It’s so much easier to pass on bucks when you are seeing plenty. When it’s a big deal to someone to kill a buck, and they aren’t seeing enough to make them believe they will have a chance at a better one, they will shoot something. The pressure most properties get make seeing good bucks tough for the average hunter even with 9 cell cameras and 12 feeders.


How long does it take a buck to adapt to pressure??


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Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: blade] #4069306
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Originally Posted by blade
I still contend that pressure is the largest issue we have in Alabama, hence my actual reason for my season “recommendation”. It’s so much easier to pass on bucks when you are seeing plenty. When it’s a big deal to someone to kill a buck, and they aren’t seeing enough to make them believe they will have a chance at a better one, they will shoot something. The pressure most properties get make seeing good bucks tough for the average hunter even with 9 cell cameras and 12 feeders.



imo hunters have become to passive in the way they hunt . they plant green fields , feed corn and then set in a little box and set and set . kicking up deer is long gone it seems .

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: Mbrock] #4069310
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
See and that’s where it can’t be a one size fits all. We do NOT need a reduction in doe says in our area. People already aren’t killing does and they’re everywhere. Nobody here complains about not seeing deer. That applies to most every county I work in in west central and north west AL. No one is advocating for fewer doe days here or for doe harvest to be limited. They didn’t during the 2 a day years either.

Alabama is definitely not a one size fits all state. But I've also seen what over aggressive harvest does. Areas in southerns Alabama that were overpopulated became virtually a deer desert because of it's brown it's down. Our first club in the eighties was about 2900 acres in Marengo county on the early eighties. First year there at was common to see 25-30 does and yearlings on a 1 acre plot. But 40 member were blasting 110-125 deer a year on this property and within 3 years you wouldn't see 6 deer on a field.

Point is, we have to guard against over correcting the harvest like we've been doing for over 40 years.

Too many deer, blast away.

Oops, we kilt too many.

Reduce hunting season to two weeks and limit weapons to sling shots.

Oops, too many deer.

Rinse. Wash. Repeat.


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Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: Pwyse] #4069360
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Originally Posted by Pwyse
Matt do the other states in the mid west that you and others mentioned that had it figured out as far as managing the deer herd goes have different doe limits for different parts of the state? Or do they manage the herd as a whole?

I don’t remember mentioning any other state. I think only other members did. But I will add that the Midwest states don’t have anywhere near the deer we have as a state, in regards to total deer on the landscape. Not even close. They can’t allow liberal doe harvest or they wouldn’t have deer. We historically have had way more areas of cover for deer to retreat to. Our landscape is changing and is now why we have Zone C. Some states do have different doe bag limits depending on where you are, so that answer would be yes.

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: CNC] #4069367
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Don't allow crossbows in bow only seasons
Eliminate hunting over bait
Have limits on does and bucks
I'm in zone C and there is pre-rut starting in early Dec.
Not for ending earlier than Jan 31 prefer Feb 10

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: Mbrock] #4069368
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by Pwyse
Matt do the other states in the mid west that you and others mentioned that had it figured out as far as managing the deer herd goes have different doe limits for different parts of the state? Or do they manage the herd as a whole?

I don’t remember mentioning any other state. I think only other members did. But I will add that the Midwest states don’t have anywhere near the deer we have as a state, in regards to total deer on the landscape. Not even close. They can’t allow liberal doe harvest or they wouldn’t have deer. We historically have had way more areas of cover for deer to retreat to. Our landscape is changing and is now why we have Zone C. Some states do have different doe bag limits depending on where you are, so that answer would be yes.


My bad I was thinking you had mentioned that but it was Abolt.

Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: Pwyse] #4069399
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Originally Posted by Pwyse
Matt do the other states in the mid west that you and others mentioned that had it figured out as far as managing the deer herd goes have different doe limits for different parts of the state? Or do they manage the herd as a whole?


Different Zones just like AL. There are extra tags available over the counter that will allow a hunter to kill another doe. KY and IL have these in effect. Both of these states only allow one buck per hunter per year. These areas are truly the Lands of Giants.

If someone will post a pic for me I will be glad to show you a couple of examples of what I am talking about. Just let me know.


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Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: aucivil] #4069426
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Originally Posted by aucivil
Don't allow crossbows in bow only seasons
Eliminate hunting over bait
Have limits on does and bucks
Bow season - crossbow and bow have nearly no impact on the herd. Suggestions involving those make no sense.

Agree on stricter bag limits.

Definitely agree on no bait. No corn, no green fields, no shooting houses. Not really fair chase to sit in a shooting house with a little buddy heater overlooking an artificial field of clover in the middle of a pine plantation… takes no hunting skill or woodsmanship.

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Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: CNC] #4069436
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I hope all they have one day is bow season..an then i hope they outlaw corn an crossbows..im for makin it harder..weedout the lazy losers with too much money🫣


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Re: New Season Dates Revisited [Re: CarbonClimber1] #4069440
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Originally Posted by CarbonClimber1
I hope all they have one day is bow season..an then i hope they outlaw corn an crossbows..im for makin it harder..weedout the lazy losers with too much money🫣
Makes sense - If you’re serious about killing mature whitetails you’ll support making Alabama the first bow only state.

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