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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: Skinny]
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01/22/24 05:49 PM
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Sooo. What's happening here is the SCOTUS just hung illegal immigration around Biden and the democrats and they can no longer make any claims they aren't allowing an invasion. That's how I see it.
You can be your lilly white butts that Trump will use that to bludgeon Biden about the head and shoulders. And the polling already shows how much Americans hate Bidens policy. He can't claim he doesn't own it now.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: GomerPyle]
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01/22/24 05:50 PM
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bill
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Texas needs to keep on keeping on. Draw a line. Why? If federal government refuses to do their duty, then any state should do what they need to do as their secondary responsibilities. Then send an invoice to Washington. I'm not disagreeing with you, someone just asked why they ruled the way they did and, if I was forced to guess why the conservative ones did, that would be my hunch. The liberal judges most likely didn't look at this as a case of the federal government "refusing to do their duty", they probably thought the federal government was in the right to begin with. I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm just speculating on what their reasoning was behind the ruling, which was the question that was asked. . Which judges are you saying are conservative? Robert's, who is the sole reason we have Obama care? Or Barrett who has sided with the liberals on student loans, guns and several other liberal rulings? Both are generally considered to be "conservative judges", especially relative to the others with whom they voted The media might consider them conservative but most actual conservatives KNOW that Robert's has been compromised and most THINK Barrett is following suit. Robert's has a terrible track record since being appointed and his rulings as a Supreme Court Justice show a massive and immediate shift in his ideology from his time as a judge in lower courts.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: GomerPyle]
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01/22/24 05:53 PM
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On what grounds? What’s the logic behind the ruling? My assumption is they determined the Federal government is responsible for maintaining national borders. Normally that wouldn't be a problem if the people running the federal government used any common sense at all. My guess is the conservatives that voted in favor of the federal government probably were worried about the law of unintended consequences if they set a different precedent by voting otherwise. Nailed it.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: jmudler]
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01/22/24 05:55 PM
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Do you want the states to determine who comes in or the government? Being serious. Federal Government has the responsibility and duty, first. Ports of entry, the process is a Federal responsibility and duty. I have zero issues with any state picking up the ball to secure their own borders with fencing or walls...which will aid in restrictions on illegal entry and help to send immigrants to the ports of entry under federal control for the legal process. If anyone wants to come here, do it legal through the ports of entry and processes. Period.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: bill]
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01/22/24 05:56 PM
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GomerPyle
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Which judges are you saying are conservative? Robert's, who is the sole reason we have Obama care? Or Barrett who has sided with the liberals on student loans, guns and several other liberal rulings? Both are generally considered to be "conservative judges", especially relative to the others with whom they voted The media might consider them conservative but most actual conservatives KNOW that Robert's has been compromised and most THINK Barrett is following suit. Robert's has a terrible track record since being appointed and his rulings as a Supreme Court Justice show a massive and immediate shift in his ideology from his time as a judge in lower courts. Dude...I'm not disagreeing with you. That wasn't the original question or my original point. I agree with you on Roberts and I think it's too early to really get a good read on Barrett. Hopefully she doesn't follow suit long-term. Best we can do is hope at this point.
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: Skinny]
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01/22/24 06:01 PM
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I remember when some folks was salivating over these Justices being sworn in 😏
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: Skinny]
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01/22/24 06:05 PM
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: Skinny]
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01/22/24 06:11 PM
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On the flip side, IF Trump is elected and shuts down the border, whats to stop a liberal state like CA or NM from allowing illegals in, if they chose to? If Texas can stop it, others could allow it, right? I’m playing devil’s advocate here, because I wish every state would do whatTX is. Also, it wasn’t that long ago that drug use was illegal under federal law (and still is), yet well-before the acceptance of it got rolling, those early states were allowing it.
This is why I am not a lawyer.
If you do the things you need to do when you need to do them then someday you can do the things you want to do when you want to do them.
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: Skinny]
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01/22/24 06:19 PM
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straycat
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If the border is porous in AZ, NM or CA and if the Federal Government refuses to fix it, then AZ, NM or CA should be able to secure it if they so choose. We are talking about the flood of illegal immigration across a real physical border, not legal immigration and asylum seekers at Federal ports of entry. If AZ, NM or CA are just watching it happen then they are allowing it already.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: GomerPyle]
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01/22/24 06:20 PM
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bill
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Which judges are you saying are conservative? Robert's, who is the sole reason we have Obama care? Or Barrett who has sided with the liberals on student loans, guns and several other liberal rulings? Both are generally considered to be "conservative judges", especially relative to the others with whom they voted The media might consider them conservative but most actual conservatives KNOW that Robert's has been compromised and most THINK Barrett is following suit. Robert's has a terrible track record since being appointed and his rulings as a Supreme Court Justice show a massive and immediate shift in his ideology from his time as a judge in lower courts. Dude...I'm not disagreeing with you. That wasn't the original question or my original point. I agree with you on Roberts and I think it's too early to really get a good read on Barrett. Hopefully she doesn't follow suit long-term. Best we can do is hope at this point. Maybe I didn't do a good job of communicating but I wasn't disagreeing either. Just making the point that we don't really hold any branch of government even when they tell us we do.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: Fattyfireplug]
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01/22/24 06:41 PM
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Sooo. What's happening here is the SCOTUS just hung illegal immigration around Biden and the democrats and they can no longer make any claims they aren't allowing an invasion. That's how I see it.
You can be your lilly white butts that Trump will use that to bludgeon Biden about the head and shoulders. And the polling already shows how much Americans hate Bidens policy. He can't claim he doesn't own it now. That's a good point! But, I don't know that the other side can be ousted with an election since they don't play fair.
If you live to be a hundred, I want to live to be a hundred minus one day, so I never have to live without you.---Winnie the Pooh
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: Skinny]
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01/22/24 06:46 PM
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I have no issue with those who choose to come here through legal channels, but they need to be fully vetted and understand and abide by the laws here just like those of us who are born here are supposed to do.
There should be limited entry points as there seem to be with any other country.
Can anyone name any other country that you can just cross anywhere and be granted the benefits that we grant those who come here?
The ones who should be really pissed off are those immigrants who did come here through the proper channels.
If you live to be a hundred, I want to live to be a hundred minus one day, so I never have to live without you.---Winnie the Pooh
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: 007]
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01/22/24 06:49 PM
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GomerPyle
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On the flip side, IF Trump is elected and shuts down the border, whats to stop a liberal state like CA or NM from allowing illegals in, if they chose to? If Texas can stop it, others could allow it, right? I’m playing devil’s advocate here, because I wish every state would do whatTX is. Also, it wasn’t that long ago that drug use was illegal under federal law (and still is), yet well-before the acceptance of it got rolling, those early states were allowing it.
This is why I am not a lawyer. That’s kinda what I was thinking, or rather hoping[/] that [i]they were thinking. Kinda like allowing school-led prayer in schools. It sounds good on the surface until you realize that not everyone prays to God. Next thing you know you’ve got a Muslim teacher or principal leading the entire class in a prayer to Allah right after they say the pledge of allegiance in the morning.
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: Skinny]
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01/22/24 07:28 PM
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Can't we post up with a passel of ruger 10/22s and make it really uncomfortable to cross the border? I'm not talking full out actual war just a little bit less lethal.im thinking just 2-300 folks and a few bricks of 22 somebody will setup a grill maybe some ice cold beverages and hot dogs. No binary triggers before 9am though.
Skinny is my EX.Alcohol was involved.
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Re: SCOTUS sides with Biden over Texas border
[Re: 007]
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01/22/24 07:53 PM
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2Dogs
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On the flip side, IF Trump is elected and shuts down the border, whats to stop a liberal state like CA or NM from allowing illegals in, if they chose to? If Texas can stop it, others could allow it, right? I’m playing devil’s advocate here, because I wish every state would do whatTX is. Also, it wasn’t that long ago that drug use was illegal under federal law (and still is), yet well-before the acceptance of it got rolling, those early states were allowing it.
This is why I am not a lawyer. If Trump is elected , lets out Roberts illegal activity / compromise , get him removed and Trump can pick his replacement.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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