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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055375
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Originally Posted by IDOT
Originally Posted by Lonster
IF the homeowner pulled a gun on the repo man, that was not illegal.


Actually, it is.

And if you shoot someone stealing/towing your car out of your driveway, you're going to prison.





Well first of all I would have to be indicted by a Grand Jury.

Then I would have to be found guilty by 12 jurors.

I’m not sure that either would happen here in Fayette County

Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055390
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Incoming fire has the right of way. We have Law and we also have Justice they ain't the same. Pretty sure all of us are on the list of deplorables but trouble comes leaves comes BACK with assassins then we need justice not law not bodycam footage not politics. You kill an innocent man on his land over whatever error or reason no need for a judge jury trial or lawyers shoot that Sob that night and be done with it. Won't take long for word to get around. You don't have to be right in court just reasonable.


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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055402
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Originally Posted by IDOT
Originally Posted by Lonster
IF the homeowner pulled a gun on the repo man, that was not illegal.


Actually, it is.

And if you shoot someone stealing/towing your car out of your driveway, you're going to prison.





Wasn’t a month later in Huntsville that happened. Guess we will see

Two scenarios and differing outcomes but someone died at each place


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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055532
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A tow truck driver dying later in Huntsville has absolutely zero to do with the Perkins case though. Zero. I get how sometimes people can have blind allegiance to the police as we all inherently think the cops are the good guys who are there to protect and serve. But in any occupation there’s bad apples. And it makes for a really dangerous situation when a bad apple has a gun and a badge that he feels will shield him for any wrongdoing he does even up to murder. I’ve seen the videos. What those cops did that night was nothing short of ambushing a law abiding citizen on his own property to aid in a repossession.


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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: Luvbowhuntn] #4055537
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Originally Posted by Luvbowhuntn
A tow truck driver dying later in Huntsville has absolutely zero to do with the Perkins case though. Zero. I get how sometimes people can have blind allegiance to the police as we all inherently think the cops are the good guys who are there to protect and serve. But in any occupation there’s bad apples. And it makes for a really dangerous situation when a bad apple has a gun and a badge that he feels will shield him for any wrongdoing he does even up to murder. I’ve seen the videos. What those cops did that night was nothing short of ambushing a law abiding citizen on his own property to aid in a repossession.


I've also heard from one of the friends of the tow truck driver that was shot, that he was shot in the back 3 times, then the head while the vehicle was already loaded on the wrecker. Could be false info, but they are pretty close.

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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055540
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Cops screwed up royally and unfortunately a guy is dead.

His family will now be able to afford a lot of trucks and at least one cop will be in the pokey.


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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055677
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it will all depend on if he pointed a gun directly at a cop. I don't think any of us would not shoot if a man pointed a gun straight at us on the job.

Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: scrape] #4055690
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Originally Posted by scrape
it will all depend on if he pointed a gun directly at a cop. I don't think any of us would not shoot if a man pointed a gun straight at us on the job.


How was he supposed to know they were cops?? Did I miss the part with their lights on and sirens flashing or them knocking on the door to announce their presence??

Anyone can hide in the shadows and “claim” to be the police.

It will all depend on whether the cops acted “lawfully” or not. A uniform and a badge doesn’t grant the right to shoot someone in their own yard that isn’t committing a crime.

I’ll wager the family gets paid for sure and the cop most likely goes to jail.


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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: buckhunter2] #4055721
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Originally Posted by buckhunter2
Originally Posted by scrape
it will all depend on if he pointed a gun directly at a cop. I don't think any of us would not shoot if a man pointed a gun straight at us on the job.


How was he supposed to know they were cops?? Did I miss the part with their lights on and sirens flashing or them knocking on the door to announce their presence??

Anyone can hide in the shadows and “claim” to be the police.

It will all depend on whether the cops acted “lawfully” or not. A uniform and a badge doesn’t grant the right to shoot someone in their own yard that isn’t committing a crime.

I’ll wager the family gets paid for sure and the cop most likely goes to jail.



I’m not saying it’s the same thing but those cops that were in on Floyd dying did pay and his family made bank. I remember everyone was saying things were done to make the cops pay. We sure it’s not happening again. I sure as heck dont know but I’m willing to see how it shakes out.
The biggest issue I’ve seen so far is the way the authorities handled it, no matter what they should’ve come out quick with what happened instead of all the suspense and let rumors build.

Did he have a gun or not?
Family says flashlight
Others says pistol with a light on the gun

Which is it?

Did repo guy have gun pulled on him and he leave
I thought that was one of the first reports.

I just think there is no way to say if it wasn’t for the chain of events the way they rolled out.




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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: cartervj] #4055735
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by buckhunter2
Originally Posted by scrape
it will all depend on if he pointed a gun directly at a cop. I don't think any of us would not shoot if a man pointed a gun straight at us on the job.


How was he supposed to know they were cops?? Did I miss the part with their lights on and sirens flashing or them knocking on the door to announce their presence??

Anyone can hide in the shadows and “claim” to be the police.

It will all depend on whether the cops acted “lawfully” or not. A uniform and a badge doesn’t grant the right to shoot someone in their own yard that isn’t committing a crime.

I’ll wager the family gets paid for sure and the cop most likely goes to jail.



I’m not saying it’s the same thing but those cops that were in on Floyd dying did pay and his family made bank. I remember everyone was saying things were done to make the cops pay. We sure it’s not happening again. I sure as heck dont know but I’m willing to see how it shakes out.
The biggest issue I’ve seen so far is the way the authorities handled it, no matter what they should’ve come out quick with what happened instead of all the suspense and let rumors build.

Did he have a gun or not?
Family says flashlight
Others says pistol with a light on the gun

Which is it?

Did repo guy have gun pulled on him and he leave
I thought that was one of the first reports.

I just think there is no way to say if it wasn’t for the chain of events the way they rolled out.



The “biggest issue” is cops ambushing a guy in his own yard that hasn’t committed a crime. Who gives a 💩 about they way the authorities handled the aftermath?? There should not have been anything to handle. This situation has nothing to do with Floyd and to even compare the two is an idiotic statement to make.

The resident attorney has already pointed out the legalities of the situation. Cops had no business being there for him to point a gun at them or not. Cops aren’t hired to assist repos guys.


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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055740
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I don’t think it’s known yet if he for sure had a gun. Cops didn’t roll up with sirens blaring & flashing lights because it was the middle of the night in a well populated subdivision.

Cops got no business in the car repo business IMO. Poor judgment by the PD for getting involved at any level. If Repo man had even a tiny bit of experience, or common damn sense, he’d have abandoned the repo when a firearm was presented


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The left lane is for the the purpose of moving the flow of traffic forward regardless of the speed limit. If your impeding the flow of traffic get your ass in the right lane. It's really that simple...

Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055790
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Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055928
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The sneaking around in the middle of the night stuff is the wrong way to go about it to begin with.

If the cops just absolutely had to get involved, they should have treated it like an eviction. Knock on the guys door, wake him up and tell him what's going on.

If he pulled a gun on the repo man earlier, arrest him for menacing or whatever the charge may be. Then take the truck.

Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: Holcomb] #4055959
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Originally Posted by Holcomb
The security cam footage from the neighbors house looked pretty bad for the cops.


Always video the Po Po.

Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055965
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Alabama has the castle doctrine, not to mention open carry and you can carry openly on your property all day long and nothing anyone can do about it.

To me, it seems like the police nowdays see a gun and they just open fire on people. I shouldn't have to "disarm" just for police to be around me when I am lawfully in posession of a firearm.

Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: IDOT] #4055983
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Does castle doctrince extend to his vehicle parked in his driveway? I'm thinkng no... but I don't practice law


Originally Posted by hillmp
The left lane is for the the purpose of moving the flow of traffic forward regardless of the speed limit. If your impeding the flow of traffic get your ass in the right lane. It's really that simple...

Re: Decatur-Steve Perkings Shooting [Re: Lockjaw] #4056040
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Alabama has the castle doctrine, not to mention open carry and you can carry openly on your property all day long and nothing anyone can do about it.

To me, it seems like the police nowdays see a gun and they just open fire on people. I shouldn't have to "disarm" just for police to be around me when I am lawfully in posession of a firearm.



I’m assuming once it’s pointed at a cop you’ll hear bang bang
One reason I’m wondering about a flashlight on a firearm. Seems not to good of an idea


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Originally Posted by whack-n-stack
The sneaking around in the middle of the night stuff is the wrong way to go about it to begin with.

If the cops just absolutely had to get involved, they should have treated it like an eviction. Knock on the guys door, wake him up and tell him what's going on.

If he pulled a gun on the repo man earlier, arrest him for menacing or whatever the charge may be. Then take the truck.



Agreed
Monday morning quarterbacking is just that

That’s what gets me, most of the questions should’ve been answered already, like the first day after


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