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Electric vehicles #4025785
11/26/23 06:56 PM
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I am seeing a lot of advertisements for electric vehicles. How many of us are going to buy one. I had an electric golf cart and had nothing but trouble 😈 now don’t get me wrong they are quite but I don’t need a quite cart I need a dependable cart


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Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4025807
11/26/23 07:21 PM
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I can see my driveway having a hybrid. I’ve ridden in a few hybrids, good rides great gas mileage. Not sure if I’ll go electric. Unless I live to see it mandatory.

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4025813
11/26/23 07:28 PM
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I personally don’t see the point in hybrids. You have to maintain both systems for the same mileage.

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026041
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EVs require far less maintenance and have less repairs than gasoline engines.

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026047
11/27/23 06:17 AM
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If all the concern was about the environment as we're hearing about the EV's the more would be invested in Hydrogen Gas Vehicle technology
The emissions from burning hydrogen gas is water and oxygen and its not complicated at all to produce it and it comes from the most abundant renewable resource on the planet
We all know there is no concern about the enviroment and the goal isnt cleaner air but it is all about the $$$$$$$
This EV stuff reminds me of the curly florescent bulbs that came out a few years before the LED


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Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026049
11/27/23 06:30 AM
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They don’t offer anything I can use.


It be's that way sometimes.

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Re: Electric vehicles [Re: deadeye48] #4026055
11/27/23 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by deadeye48
If all the concern was about the environment as we're hearing about the EV's the more would be invested in Hydrogen Gas Vehicle technology
The emissions from burning hydrogen gas is water and oxygen and its not complicated at all to produce it and it comes from the most abundant renewable resource on the planet
We all know there is no concern about the enviroment and the goal isnt cleaner air but it is all about the $$$$$$$
This EV stuff reminds me of the curly florescent bulbs that came out a few years before the LED


Toyota, oddly enough, has been leading the charge against EV's and pushing Hydrogen Fuel Cell tech because it is more environmentally friendly, more practical and dependable, and the most important thing...less dependent on China.


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Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026056
11/27/23 06:48 AM
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I built a hydrogen generator that held about two quarts of water and installed it on a '96 toyota 4x4
It produced on average 5mpg more than I was getting on just pump gas and would last about a week before I had to refill the tank


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Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026073
11/27/23 07:35 AM
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Who could blame folks for having little faith in all this ? Instead of starting with EV's as an option for near home soccer Mom type use, they start demanding that everyone will have to submit at
some point. Then they print bogus money for you to use to buy one. You could technically call this "Tax Money" , but it's really more like a finger on the scale of inflation. You are paying for someone's
EV right now every time you buy something. Not deterred by EV Bus fleet failures and too many fires, they now plan for EV heavy equipment like bulldozers, excavators, 18 wheelers, locomotives
and God forbid Airplanes !

I saw a comment about this the other day. The poster said we should round up all these idiots and send them all to Greenland. Provide them only 2 commodities. Unlimited Beef herds and coal.
I'm sure this was meant for fun, but it would certainly test the depth of their altruistic roots. smile These are the same folks who defunded the Police, but have now changed their minds.

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Skinny] #4026081
11/27/23 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Skinny
Originally Posted by deadeye48
If all the concern was about the environment as we're hearing about the EV's the more would be invested in Hydrogen Gas Vehicle technology
The emissions from burning hydrogen gas is water and oxygen and its not complicated at all to produce it and it comes from the most abundant renewable resource on the planet
We all know there is no concern about the enviroment and the goal isnt cleaner air but it is all about the $$$$$$$
This EV stuff reminds me of the curly florescent bulbs that came out a few years before the LED


Toyota, oddly enough, has been leading the charge against EV's and pushing Hydrogen Fuel Cell tech because it is more environmentally friendly, more practical and dependable, and the most important thing...less dependent on China.



And now GM and Ford are pulling back from their electric vehicle programs.

Toyota = Smart to take a cautious wait and see approach to electric vehicles

GM & Ford = Hopped on the electric bandwagon and now would like to quietly step off

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026082
11/27/23 07:50 AM
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Meanwhile Tesla is continuing to put up YOY numbers.

Electric is head to stay.
I would be shocked if hydrogen ever does anything more than 1% of annual sales.

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026083
11/27/23 07:52 AM
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Electric vehicle technology is about like when we transitioned from the Album to the 8-track tape, to the cassette tape, to the digital audio tape, to the CD, then to just straight digital music from the internet.

I think electric cars are about at the Cassette tape stage currently. I'll wait and see where automotive technology finally ends up before I invest my hard-earned money in a new vehicle.

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Peach] #4026086
11/27/23 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Peach
EVs require far less maintenance and have less repairs than gasoline engines.


I just saw a YouTube short on the most unreliable vehicle for 2023 and it was the Ford electric truck.

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Irishguy] #4026094
11/27/23 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Irishguy
Electric vehicle technology is about like when we transitioned from the Album to the 8-track tape, to the cassette tape, to the digital audio tape, to the CD, then to just straight digital music from the internet.

I think electric cars are about at the Cassette tape stage currently. I'll wait and see where automotive technology finally ends up before I invest my hard-earned money in a new vehicle.


Agreed on not wanting to be a test mule, it’s still early but the numbers from Tesla continuing to grow YOY say a lot.
“ Tesla sold 10x as many EVs as any other car maker during the first three quarters of 2023.”


https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1719516104639287299?s=46&t=nMLVf69hPg1pGGuTpdFCOw

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11/27/23 08:07 AM
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Re: Electric vehicles [Re: AU7MM08] #4026107
11/27/23 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Originally Posted by Irishguy
Electric vehicle technology is about like when we transitioned from the Album to the 8-track tape, to the cassette tape, to the digital audio tape, to the CD, then to just straight digital music from the internet.

I think electric cars are about at the Cassette tape stage currently. I'll wait and see where automotive technology finally ends up before I invest my hard-earned money in a new vehicle.


Agreed on not wanting to be a test mule, it’s still early but the numbers from Tesla continuing to grow YOY say a lot.
“ Tesla sold 10x as many EVs as any other car maker during the first three quarters of 2023.”


https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1719516104639287299?s=46&t=nMLVf69hPg1pGGuTpdFCOw


I'm not saying electric cars are bad. I'm saying the electric car technology has not settled on its final form yet and it's too expensive.

Remember when we made the transition from the tube TV to the flat screen. Remember how expensive they were at first and how the technology changed rapidly? When the technology settled down the flat screen TV's became cheaper than the tube TV's they replaced?

The success of one company doesn't make a trend. We simply aren't there yet with Electric Cars... There could be a hydrogen revolution or a green synthetic fuel revolution. There are a lot of big players working on hydrogen and green fuel technology right now and those efforts shouldn't be discounted..

Internal combustion engine automobile technology settled down in the very early 20th century to its basic current form and has continued on with various improvements for over 100 years and is still going strong.

CD's had amazing sales for a while too, but CD's aren't selling so well now.

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Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026114
11/27/23 08:32 AM
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Let me say this, I dont have an EV and I do not plan to buy one anytime soon. If they can get the range way up, and the charge time way down, along with the cost to repair, I would not have an issue with having one. The ford truck is ridiculous to me since you cant really do anything with it truck wise. Plus the infrastructure to charge them is way behind, and you will need a way to generate all that green power. As of now this is a scam on people. Mining resources for batteries is about the most un-green practice on earth.

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026276
11/27/23 01:40 PM
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I will stick with a combustion engine….

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026279
11/27/23 01:45 PM
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Plug in hybrid with a gas backup seems pretty logical to me. Of course it won’t work for hauling.

Re: Electric vehicles [Re: Geezer] #4026283
11/27/23 01:51 PM
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Here is how you make $$: You buy EV stock, then you give massive incentives to people to purchase them.

https://www.panion.org/ev-incentives-2023-these-6-countries-promote-e-mobility-the-most/

What do people do with a 10yr old EV with dead batteries?
The car will be worth ~$5k
New batteries will cost ~$20k
Eventually they are going to charge you $$$ just to junk it. Unless someone finds a great way to recycle the batteries, without their entire factory burning down.

Your car is paid off and you are $15k upside down.


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