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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: AU7MM08]
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10/20/23 10:20 AM
10/20/23 10:20 AM
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Moundville, Al
SuperSpike
40 Year Old Bowhunting Virgin
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40 Year Old Bowhunting Virgin
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Moundville, Al
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Nearly 18% of new vehicle buyers have a payment of $1,000+ per month It’s insanity.
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: CarbonClimber1]
#4001347
10/20/23 10:32 AM
10/20/23 10:32 AM
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North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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Multiple signals a recession is eminent. Home sales figures are on the decline, and prices are flat or falling in virtually every market. No more bidding wars on homes. I know some builders in Huntsvegas, which has been an ultra hot market, have put the brakes on spec homes and are only doing pre sales.
An old adage is that the construction market is the first to fall and last to come back in a recession.
Last edited by AU338MAG; 10/20/23 10:50 AM.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: CarbonClimber1]
#4001348
10/20/23 10:35 AM
10/20/23 10:35 AM
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Posts: 1,964
Northport
Thisldu
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Northport
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Rates aren't 2% anymore, more like 8%, adds $100-$200 a month the note. I have a few vehicle notes at 2%, and I'll keep them until it's paid off.
"The future's uncertain and the end is always near"
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: SuperSpike]
#4001364
10/20/23 10:53 AM
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colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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colbert county
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Y’all just hang tight. You’ll be able to get a good deal on them before too long. I don’t see people being able to pay the ridiculous sized payments on these vehicles until they’re paid off. It’ll catch up to them before they can get it paid off and they’ll be wanting to get out from under it. Might explain the snatch and grab business uptick
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: AU338MAG]
#4001398
10/20/23 11:38 AM
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colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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Multiple signals a recession is eminent. Home sales figures are on the decline, and prices are flat or falling in virtually every market. No more bidding wars on homes. I know some builders in Huntsvegas, which has been an ultra hot market, have put the brakes on spec homes and are only doing pre sales.
An old adage is that the construction market is the first to fall and last to come back in a recession. Seeing CDs for 5-6% at Credit Unions made me really think things were turning. Sis is in real estate and her son in law is a builder. Material cost got stupid and people kept paying right up in til interest rates jumped. Then it got a little silent. Friends that have multiplex’s were building left and right because they felt home ownership was gonna be in trouble sooner than later. They slow down building when interest rates drop because home ownership is easier to achieve. The signs have been showing it’s just many don’t want it and think ignoring it will postpone the inevitable https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653703/Convoy-shipping-trucking-Seattle-Dan-Lewis.html
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: SuperSpike]
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10/20/23 11:48 AM
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Northport, AL
GomerPyle
Impatient Stinky Britches Wearin’ Off-Roadin’ Guru
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Nearly 18% of new vehicle buyers have a payment of $1,000+ per month It’s insanity. We weren't paying $1000/month when we had two new-ish cars with payments....that's almost what we're paying for a house payment. People are basically driving around in a house payment...
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There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars
2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement
3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: GomerPyle]
#4001407
10/20/23 11:53 AM
10/20/23 11:53 AM
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Jasper Al
eclipse829
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Jasper Al
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Nearly 18% of new vehicle buyers have a payment of $1,000+ per month It’s insanity. We weren't paying $1000/month when we had two new-ish cars with payments....that's almost what we're paying for a house payment. People are basically driving around in a house payment... No, folks are riding around in a house payment from 15 yrs ago
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: CarbonClimber1]
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10/20/23 11:54 AM
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colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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colbert county
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A few years back base model 3/4 tons were 45ish and now 75-80ish. Fully loaded models back then were mid 90s and now a little over 100
That’s what is crazy that the lower end models shot it as much as they did in just 5-7 years
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: bama_earl]
#4001412
10/20/23 12:04 PM
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Posts: 22,699
Lickskillet, AL
Irishguy
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a.k.a. Dingle Johnson
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Lickskillet, AL
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I have been waiting on this economy to crash for 3 years... and I am still waiting. 401ks are up this year, home prices still sky hight, trucks 100k, groceries out the roof, McDonalds paying $20hr. I would actually welcome a crash about now.
But not if I was still self employed, I have the safety of an employer now. Reminds me of 06-07 They’ve held it off but some of the bigger banks balance sheets don’t look good. Just read commercial properties are making another downturn. I know many of the small businesses are closing up around here and some of the ones that haven’t are crying about lack of sales and or customers. Literally came in from walking the dog and commercial about a car lot sale with $4000 off so I’m guessing some things are changing. I know one of the local used lots said prices at wholesale are falling and expects it to continue. He’s been in the business all of his life. Literally It usually takes something to blow up and I am guessing its commercial real estate. I don't think Alabama will be hit hard but I am hearing defaults are coming for all that commerical property in big cites like New York and San Fran. Maybe that's what we need. Plus more people are working from home than anytime in the modern age, decreasing the need for commercial real-estate.
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: GomerPyle]
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10/20/23 12:11 PM
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Right Behind You
William
Booner
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Yep, but you can't buy a 20yr old beater for $15k and spend another $10-15k to "fix it up" and finance the cost over 6-8yrs like you can a payment on a new one. And that's all the general public looks at anymore....."Can we make the monthly payment?"
Yep. Got my '86 Suburban for $4K. I've got less than $20K in it now and it's basically a brand new vehicle.
"The misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing... compared to the misery of not being exploited at all."
Joan Robinson
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: CarbonClimber1]
#4001431
10/20/23 12:43 PM
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Posts: 3,165
Alabama
buck_buster
10 point
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Alabama
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I am glad I paid off my 2018 z71 when I did. She has 80k on it and I plan on driving the wheels off it.
I love the rut. The woods are like a bunch of roided up meatheads fighting over a girl.
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: Irishguy]
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10/20/23 12:46 PM
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Posts: 18,939
colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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colbert county
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I have been waiting on this economy to crash for 3 years... and I am still waiting. 401ks are up this year, home prices still sky hight, trucks 100k, groceries out the roof, McDonalds paying $20hr. I would actually welcome a crash about now.
But not if I was still self employed, I have the safety of an employer now. Reminds me of 06-07 They’ve held it off but some of the bigger banks balance sheets don’t look good. Just read commercial properties are making another downturn. I know many of the small businesses are closing up around here and some of the ones that haven’t are crying about lack of sales and or customers. Literally came in from walking the dog and commercial about a car lot sale with $4000 off so I’m guessing some things are changing. I know one of the local used lots said prices at wholesale are falling and expects it to continue. He’s been in the business all of his life. Literally It usually takes something to blow up and I am guessing its commercial real estate. I don't think Alabama will be hit hard but I am hearing defaults are coming for all that commerical property in big cites like New York and San Fran. Maybe that's what we need. Plus more people are working from home than anytime in the modern age, decreasing the need for commercial real-estate. Yup I used to ask my late sis questions since she’s dealt with redesigned board rooms etc…. of large corporations like Coca-Cola etc… Her staff went from well over a hundred to just 3
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: bama_earl]
#4001536
10/20/23 02:55 PM
10/20/23 02:55 PM
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Posts: 20,095
Northport, AL
GomerPyle
Impatient Stinky Britches Wearin’ Off-Roadin’ Guru
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Northport, AL
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I stopped by a local boat place and they had new Yamaha 250s stacked, I bet they had 15 in boxes. I asked why they have some many new motors, he said they have seen a huge increase in folks just keeping their old boat and buying a brand new motor. I am thinking this trend may move to the truck market... just repower it instead of buying 90k new truck. Yep....a brand new 4stroke outboard is, what, $25k(ish)? Even if you have to take your old hull and put $10-20k into it to make it like-new, you're still WAYYY ahead. My guess is the hardest part is simply finding someone to do the work....and that's assuming it needs serious work like structural stuff.
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars
2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement
3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: How bout this car market…
[Re: AU7MM08]
#4001597
10/20/23 04:34 PM
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Wilcox County
hamma
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Posts: 622
Wilcox County
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Nearly 18% of new vehicle buyers have a payment of $1,000+ per month yep, my wife works for a major lender.. even with the high interest rates & ridiculous auto prices they're still setting record highs each month with the average payment being north of 700/mo. People are outta their minds
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