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Question for law enforcement #3998811
10/16/23 04:56 PM
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I been seeing more and more clips of car jacking or stomping windows out of vehicles. When can you take action against this? After they drag you out of vehicle or while there in process of destroying your automobile?
I'm not trying to start anything bad. Just curious how the law reads on this situation .

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3998817
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Somewhere ..which ever state .. maybe Alabama even....I read that you have the right to release lead on someone trying to carjack you or cause this type of terror to you and the occupants of your vehicle.... it stated your vehicle carries the same distinction and code as the castle doctrine your home has.... or something like that.

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3998819
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Originally Posted by johndeere5045
I been seeing more and more clips of car jacking or stomping windows out of vehicles. When can you take action against this? After they drag you out of vehicle or while there in process of destroying your automobile?
I'm not trying to start anything bad. Just curious how the law reads on this situation .


#1 According to Aldeer, you live in Dothan, so for starters not a strong likelihood that happens in your area.

#2 That’s a question for an attorney, NOT law enforcement.

#3 Steer clear of rough areas, protests/riots and leave plenty of room between yourself and the vehicle in front of you.

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: AU7MM08] #3998825
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Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Originally Posted by johndeere5045
I been seeing more and more clips of car jacking or stomping windows out of vehicles. When can you take action against this? After they drag you out of vehicle or while there in process of destroying your automobile?
I'm not trying to start anything bad. Just curious how the law reads on this situation .


#1 According to Aldeer, you live in Dothan, so for starters not a strong likelihood that happens in your area.

#2 That’s a question for an attorney, NOT law enforcement.

#3 Steer clear of rough areas, protests/riots and leave plenty of room between yourself and the vehicle in front of you.

Great advice

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3998841
10/16/23 05:44 PM
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Some people who work for themselves providing a service for the public find themselves in bad places, if for nothing but to drive through to get to a job. Not everyone can do the same routine every day. I have a vision of stopping at a red light and someone walks up and tries to drag me out. They will get shot it the face. I will deal with repercussions later. The Lord will forgive me.

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: jwalker77] #3998850
10/16/23 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Some people who work for themselves providing a service for the public find themselves in bad places, if for nothing but to drive through to get to a job. Not everyone can do the same routine every day. I have a vision of stopping at a red light and someone walks up and tries to drag me out. They will get shot it the face. I will deal with repercussions later. The Lord will forgive me.


Same here. I have to travel in and through some rough hoods when working on survey projects.

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3998869
10/16/23 06:23 PM
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Everyone in Alabama lives under the same rule, you have the right to defend yourself or a 3rd person with deadly force if you reasonably believe there is an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

I would add that’s it’s much better to avoid using any sort of force so probably stick a “necessary” and an “articulable” in there somewhere. I would also concur with AU7MM08 that an oz of prevention is worth several tons of cure. You’d likely have time to regret a life changing and potentially expensive use of force if you didn’t do all you could to avoid it.

And finally, the courts have been awful screwy lately- especially if they manage to stir up some rather loud public opinion ahead of time. The ol’ “I was afraid for my life” in dubious circumstances ain’t panning out like it once did.

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3998885
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Thanks for the replies. Yes so far my area is pretty good. I work in Construction and have to travel some. I didn't know the vehicle was the same as my home.

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: AU7MM08] #3998890
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Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Originally Posted by johndeere5045
I been seeing more and more clips of car jacking or stomping windows out of vehicles. When can you take action against this? After they drag you out of vehicle or while there in process of destroying your automobile?
I'm not trying to start anything bad. Just curious how the law reads on this situation .


#1 According to Aldeer, you live in Dothan, so for starters not a strong likelihood that happens in your area.

#2 That’s a question for an attorney, NOT law enforcement.

#3 Steer clear of rough areas, protests/riots and leave plenty of room between yourself and the vehicle in front of you.


You might be correct about #2 and #3 but you are way, way off about the Dothan/Houston County area. This years per cap. Dothan is running way ahead on murders of most other places in Alabama.

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: Groundhawg] #3998896
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Originally Posted by Groundhawg
Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Originally Posted by johndeere5045
I been seeing more and more clips of car jacking or stomping windows out of vehicles. When can you take action against this? After they drag you out of vehicle or while there in process of destroying your automobile?
I'm not trying to start anything bad. Just curious how the law reads on this situation .


#1 According to Aldeer, you live in Dothan, so for starters not a strong likelihood that happens in your area.

#2 That’s a question for an attorney, NOT law enforcement.

#3 Steer clear of rough areas, protests/riots and leave plenty of room between yourself and the vehicle in front of you.


You might be correct about #2 and #3 but you are way, way off about the Dothan/Houston County area. This years per cap. Dothan is running way ahead on murders of most other places in Alabama.


Hoodrat #1 gunning down Hoodrat #2&3, ya sure, not surprising and that’s typically very contained to certain streets/apartment complexes.
Hoodrat #1 pulling a white construction dude out of a truck in Dothan, “so for starters not a strong likelihood that happens in your area.”

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3998900
10/16/23 07:11 PM
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Dothan is pretty rough and there has been an uptick in crime and shooting big time. Even in the smaller towns around it. The streets are flooded with fentanyl.

But to answer your question, it's the point we're a reasonable person can articulate that they felt their live was in danger of death or great bodily harm.


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Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: AU7MM08] #3998904
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Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Originally Posted by Groundhawg
Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Originally Posted by johndeere5045
I been seeing more and more clips of car jacking or stomping windows out of vehicles. When can you take action against this? After they drag you out of vehicle or while there in process of destroying your automobile?
I'm not trying to start anything bad. Just curious how the law reads on this situation .


#1 According to Aldeer, you live in Dothan, so for starters not a strong likelihood that happens in your area.

#2 That’s a question for an attorney, NOT law enforcement.

#3 Steer clear of rough areas, protests/riots and leave plenty of room between yourself and the vehicle in front of you.


You might be correct about #2 and #3 but you are way, way off about the Dothan/Houston County area. This years per cap. Dothan is running way ahead on murders of most other places in Alabama.


Hoodrat #1 gunning down Hoodrat #2&3, ya sure, not surprising and that’s typically very contained to certain streets/apartment complexes.
Hoodrat #1 pulling a white construction dude out of a truck in Dothan, “so for starters not a strong likelihood that happens in your area.”


Yes, of course. As an Auburn fan you must be correct. smile

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3998913
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Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3998915
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Groundhawg,

I’m all ears, can you drop a link to a normal non criminal Caucasian dude getting assaulted in a vehicle in the Dothan area, let’s make it a 10 year window.
I’ve lived in Alabama 10 years and I can’t recall any Dothan Reginald Denny incidents.
https://youtu.be/NM8Y6uPH-R4?si=bbtHHdlT3unIeGcC

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3998975
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The castle law in Ms. your car is a extension of your home, if you are in fear of your life you have the right to defend youself.

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I remember a hood rat jumping on a certain someone’s hood then trying to bash out his window with his feet. Different state little north of here and he almost caught a bullet before being flipped off the roof in reverse. Cops told him he’d have been justified to splatter him.


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Whenever there is a shooting with a claim of self defense the police will be looking for a reason to arrest you. It's not personal, just their job. They are not there to clear you, they are tnere to make sure there isn't two sides to the story and you made sure only one of you is around to tell it.

Much of it will depend on who you are, who the dead guy is, what you were doing before the shooting, what the dead guy was doing before the shooting, the politics of your local DA, the politics of the people that got nothing better to do than serve on the grand jury, and ultimately the sensibilities of your jury.

You should always expect to at least have your case presented to the grand jury in any shooting.

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: ShootemupTex] #3999021
10/16/23 09:30 PM
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The answer is the same as it always is on Aldeer or anywhere that knows what they are talking about. Simply, do what you have to do when you fear for your life or the life of another. It will save you a lot of trouble if a "reasonable" person would feel the same way.
Originally Posted by ShootemupTex

Whenever there is a shooting with a claim of self defense the police will be looking for a reason to arrest you. It's not personal, just their job. They are not there to clear you, they are tnere to make sure there isn't two sides to the story and you made sure only one of you is around to tell it.


Absolute bulldoodoo.


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Originally Posted by ShootemupTex

Whenever there is a shooting with a claim of self defense the police will be looking for a reason to arrest you. It's not personal, just their job. They are not there to clear you, they are tnere to make sure there isn't two sides to the story and you made sure only one of you is around to tell it.

Much of it will depend on who you are, who the dead guy is, what you were doing before the shooting, what the dead guy was doing before the shooting, the politics of your local DA, the politics of the people that got nothing better to do than serve on the grand jury, and ultimately the sensibilities of your jury.

You should always expect to at least have your case presented to the grand jury in any shooting.


Naw. Except the grand jury part.

Re: Question for law enforcement [Re: johndeere5045] #3999064
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The way I understand it, the vast majority of cases presented to a grand jury are ultimately approved for prosecution.

That being said, I think this is a moot point for most of “us”. If you are a criminal, you look for path of easiest resistance. An “outdoorsy” looking guy in a truck with a scowl on his face displays an elevated sense of the possibility of them encountering an armed person willing to engage. Maybe I’m wrong but a criminal just waits till the next vehicle comes along. I will stand corrected if someone knows different.

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