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Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998682
10/16/23 01:30 PM
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If you can get it, do it. Maybe offer $1500/acre. all they can say is "no." In your case, I would not look at it as an investment as far as timber goes. More of a recreational tract. If you can live with that, go for it. If you're wanting a ROI of any kind, you will need to pony up more $ for the timber already on a tract. Oh, an by all means (and this might be a deal breaker) make sure you have a deeded easement to the tract. That would be a non-negotiable thing for me. Things change. People change. Land changes hands. The last thing you want to deal with is to have a piece of property and not be able to access it due to some issue with the adjoining landowners. There are plenty of horror stories out there on this kind of thing.

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Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998685
10/16/23 01:35 PM
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Av rate on the dirt is around 1250/acre + the timber value for land locked property with no deeded access. 1500/acre on dirt with access

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Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998690
10/16/23 01:40 PM
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The Boonies a.k.a. Pickens cou...
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If it was around here that price is too high. Maybe they will negotiate

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Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998694
10/16/23 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bama_earl
Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Seems like a good deal on its face

But some things you’ll want to know that may not be relevant today but good to know regardless.
Include mineral rights?
Any easements/ROWs?
Recent survey/clear boundaries?
Any problem neighbors?
Can it be subdivided?
What utilities are available? Missed that electric and well. What about internet?
Any known issues or hazards like trash dump site or open well etc?


See these are the things I need to know... it's a mile off the main road and goes through 2 property owners. Both of who I know and they only use it for timber. its not leased out or anything. Another thing. This property borders the Talledage National Forrest but I have leased it for 5 years and never had someone walk on the property.

I do have to give access to a land owner through this property but they have never accessed that property in 5 years and it's also not leased. All three of these land owners are big money and if I wanted to get out I am sure they would by me in quickly.



Is there deeded access ? Seems steep for cutover with no road frontage.

Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998695
10/16/23 01:48 PM
10/16/23 01:48 PM
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Morgan Co.
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How does whatever your monthly payment works out to compare to club dues. Get the payments strung out as long as you can. The payment you make 10 years from now ain’t gonna be worth half of what it is now thanks to Biden.


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Re: Land Purchase [Re: Dixiepatriot] #3998700
10/16/23 02:04 PM
10/16/23 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dixiepatriot
How does whatever your monthly payment works out to compare to club dues. Get the payments strung out as long as you can. The payment you make 10 years from now ain’t gonna be worth half of what it is now thanks to Biden.


I lease 120 ac total for $1200. I have 5 green fields and nice shooting houses. I pay the landowners son, my best friend, $1000 to bushhog and plant my fields. This year my total costs were

Lease $1200
Bush Hog/Planting - $1000
Seed/Fert - $575

Total = $2775

Bushog and planting is not going away.

Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998704
10/16/23 02:05 PM
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Call me cheap, but I’m not paying that for cutover.

Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998705
10/16/23 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bama_earl
Originally Posted by Andalusia
I thought you were wanting to know if the price is right but now you are mentioning tying up your money in land for years.

The price and zero interest sounds good without seeing the land.

No way to know if you have enough income/savings/investments to make this purchase without a bunch more details that you probably shouldn't post online.

Talk to a financial advisor or someone whose knowledge you respect and trust to share info with to determine if this is a financially sound move. If you can afford to tie up $140,000 in a recreational property and know you may not see any increase in value then you are good to go.


You are correct... I can pay for it as I will be paying it off in payments. He said we can work out payments I can afford but I am going to offer 20k down and 10k a year.

Used an online loan calculator for these numbers:

If you purchase for $140,000 and put 20,000 down and pay 10,000 per year for the next 12 years and you got a loan for 5% the interest you would pay over the 12 years would total $39,821. So if you get this loan at zero interest then you are saving $39,821 in interest if you had to pay 5% on loan (I don't know what the going rate is for a land only loan). So this may help you decide if the price of land is OK when you consider zero interest.


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Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998707
10/16/23 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bama_earl
ok - the issue I have is that's $140,000 in to land I will never see a return on unless I sell. I may get one cut off it before I retire. Then I can let the grandkids fight over it. I probably need to go ahead and get it... or they going to sell it.

Think about it this way if you can afford the payments. You'll never get a better opportunity to buy land with the owner financing and they quit making land a while back so get it while you can.


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Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998710
10/16/23 02:11 PM
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I was just quoted 8.75% interest for 20 years with excellent credit!

Re: Land Purchase [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #3998711
10/16/23 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthBamaSlayer
Call me cheap, but I’m not paying that for cutover.


What would you pay for cutover? Are there properties available at that price point?
0% interest makes this a unique circumstance though

Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998714
10/16/23 02:15 PM
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I wouldn’t pay that for the area and being clearcut beside the ntfrst having to go through two other properties. Maybe $1400 acre max.


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Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998715
10/16/23 02:15 PM
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Another consideration is the cost to spray and replant in pines. That will be $100+ per acre.

Re: Land Purchase [Re: Omega One] #3998716
10/16/23 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega One
I was just quoted 8.75% interest for 20 years with excellent credit!
shocked...Holy Crap!...


Did you know that Beer Nutz are over a Dollar...and Deer Nutz are under a Buck...


Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998719
10/16/23 02:22 PM
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Buy it

Re: Land Purchase [Re: hamma] #3998723
10/16/23 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hamma
Av rate on the dirt is around 1250/acre + the timber value.


Nah. Not any more. That’s 2018 prices. Good luck finding that now.

Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998727
10/16/23 02:28 PM
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Go for it. I bought an 80 beside mine and got rid of a deeded acess through 3/4 of a mile of my land I had been putting up with for 46 years. I bought the dirt in April for $1600 an acre.
Land is worth what you are willing to pay. Remember the saying. If you don’t, some one else will.
Land in Marengo county is selling for 5 to 6 per acre for open land and is hard to find!

Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998728
10/16/23 02:29 PM
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No deeded access, no deal.

Re: Land Purchase [Re: bama_earl] #3998730
10/16/23 02:32 PM
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If you can swing it, buy it. From my experience, buying land isn’t like shopping for the perfect car and then you get to negotiate the price. Either you strike a deal you can live with or it will be gone and probably never have the opportunity again. Seems like the hard part is over with an offer to purchase at a reasonable price.

Re: Land Purchase [Re: Remington270] #3998733
10/16/23 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by hamma
Av rate on the dirt is around 1250/acre + the timber value.


Nah. Not any more. That’s 2018 prices. Good luck finding that now.


This. I know I’m a couple of states to the right of you guys but bare dirt is hard to find under 4K an acre here. Heck there’s a lot of places in SC they are asking 10k+ an acre for unimproved land. Again, to the OP, that’s a hell of a deal even if you are just going to use it for recreation.

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