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Re: UAW potential strike tonight-good or bad?
[Re: Andalusia]
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09/14/23 11:04 AM
09/14/23 11:04 AM
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abolt300
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Sounds like a great time for the Big 3 to get together and finally just stand up and bust the union's stranglehold on the auto industry once and for all. Tell them "nope, show up for work or youre fired." If they go on strike, bring in new hires and do not let them have their positions back.
Having been an exec at a tier 1 supplier to all three, I've been in the engine and assembly plants for all three in both MIchigan and Canada, I can tell you unequivocally that those are some of the laziest, most protected class of people that I've ever been around in a work environment. The average full fringed wage exceeds $70+/hr. Most have been there for years and are in the upper levels within their crafts on wages. Assembly starts at around $17.50 (base rate) plus profit sharing and goes to about $35/hr plus profit sharing but the real money comes in the pension and benefits. All 3 give around 20 holidays a year and 4 weeks vacation. Virtually none have a degree higher than high school (nothing wrong with that but I'm pointing out that most are not the sharpest tools in the shed), and 95% of the jobs performed now require no skill whatsoever as most everything in those plants is and has been completely automated for the last 40 years. Any 10 yr old off the street can be trained in a day to outperform the most senior guy on the line. "Machinist" now means that you can take a part and put it in a specially designed fixture block on a CNC machine and push the start button, stand around looking at your phone or a magazine, and 3-10 minutes later, take that part out of the fixture and put a new one in and push the start button again. If the program or machine crashes, they call the software specialist to get things rebooted and back in cycle. If a tool breaks, they call maintenance to come change the tool out on the machine. Every plant is spotless, fully air conditioned. Every single person up there is nothing more than a part loader and it honestly takes more skill and dedication to flip burgers than it does to do their job. They have 3 and 4 guys doing the same job, that a non-union plant would be doing with just 1 person. The UAW is a huge reason why vehicles cost as much as they do today.
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Re: UAW potential strike tonight-good or bad?
[Re: Pwyse]
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09/14/23 11:49 AM
09/14/23 11:49 AM
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bama_earl
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The problem is, if they fire them, they won’t be able to hire people for $22 an hour. I have trouble hiring laborers for $20. $22 an hour is $42,000 a year. Basically a poverty wage unless you are single and living with your parents.
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Re: UAW potential strike tonight-good or bad?
[Re: bama_earl]
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09/14/23 11:55 AM
09/14/23 11:55 AM
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G/H
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The problem is, if they fire them, they won’t be able to hire people for $22 an hour. I have trouble hiring laborers for $20. $22 an hour is $42,000 a year. Basically a poverty wage unless you are single and living with your parents. Or your wife works 😁
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Re: UAW potential strike tonight-good or bad?
[Re: G/H]
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09/14/23 11:59 AM
09/14/23 11:59 AM
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Irishguy
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The problem is, if they fire them, they won’t be able to hire people for $22 an hour. I have trouble hiring laborers for $20. $22 an hour is $42,000 a year. Basically a poverty wage unless you are single and living with your parents. Or your wife works 😁 Hahahahahaha...
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Re: UAW potential strike tonight-good or bad?
[Re: whack-n-stack]
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09/14/23 01:31 PM
09/14/23 01:31 PM
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Skinny
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I'd offer the employees stock options. Maybe then they'd have some incentive to make a truck better than the Japanese. Thats what Amazon did. Their long time employees have a nice nest egg now.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: UAW potential strike tonight-good or bad?
[Re: G/H]
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09/14/23 01:40 PM
09/14/23 01:40 PM
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bama_earl
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The problem is, if they fire them, they won’t be able to hire people for $22 an hour. I have trouble hiring laborers for $20. $22 an hour is $42,000 a year. Basically a poverty wage unless you are single and living with your parents. Or your wife works 😁 Haha!! You got that right.
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Re: UAW potential strike tonight-good or bad?
[Re: bama_earl]
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09/14/23 01:41 PM
09/14/23 01:41 PM
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whack-n-stack
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The problem is, if they fire them, they won’t be able to hire people for $22 an hour. I have trouble hiring laborers for $20. $22 an hour is $42,000 a year. Basically a poverty wage unless you are single and living with your parents. Probably $40,000 a year after union dues.
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Re: UAW potential strike tonight-good or bad?
[Re: Andalusia]
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09/14/23 03:12 PM
09/14/23 03:12 PM
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MarksOutdoors
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Keep it up. Lots of guest workers are being brought into the Alabama workforce and especially in automotive manufacturing. This will eventually spread to the Big 3 and the union crybabys will be out of a job.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." -G. K. Chesterton
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Re: UAW potential strike tonight-good or bad?
[Re: Andalusia]
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09/14/23 04:42 PM
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