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Southern Pine Beetle Infestations
#3973796
09/06/23 04:02 PM
09/06/23 04:02 PM
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Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,751 Lower AL
k bush
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I know we have several very knowledgeable forest professionals on the site. With this prolonged dry period I'm seeing a lot of pine beetle infestations in clusters rather than the isolated dead tree here and there due to Ips or other pests. Cutting the beetle spots plus a buffer used to be the preferred control, is that still the case ? If the spot is in an un-thinned plantation, do you think thinning the stand at that time will reduce the chance of further infestations ? Or does the disturbance from thinning make it more likely to get infestations ?
My line of thinking is that reducing the basal area will make it harder for the beetles to spread. Only downside is that stumpage prices really suck but losing an entire stand to beetles sucks more.
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Re: Southern Pine Beetle Infestations
[Re: k bush]
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09/06/23 04:31 PM
09/06/23 04:31 PM
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slippinlipjr
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I make Calds fer a livin
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somewhere around 112.
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I'm curious as well. I noticed a crap ton of dead pines on top of Talladega Mountain the other day.
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Re: Southern Pine Beetle Infestations
[Re: k bush]
#3973897
09/06/23 06:51 PM
09/06/23 06:51 PM
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Joined: Jun 2016
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brushwhacker
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We cut a lot of beetle infestation back around 2000 when we had two dry summers in a row . We cut a lot of 2 or 3 acres blocks an some places we cut the whole stand . Smaller spots timber company dozed them down an pile them up in middle keep from spreading . Beetle are spread whichever direction wind is blowing . Don’t think they can fly . All the spots we cut was on top of ridges where beetle blew across hollows never cut any in low places . Got take down every tree that has beetles or they will spread . Just my first hand experience
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Re: Southern Pine Beetle Infestations
[Re: k bush]
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09/06/23 07:38 PM
09/06/23 07:38 PM
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sanderson
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I’d think the added stress from thinning would increase bugs. They’re ad bad this year as I’ve ever seen.
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Re: Southern Pine Beetle Infestations
[Re: sanderson]
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09/06/23 07:44 PM
09/06/23 07:44 PM
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turkey247
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I’d think the added stress from thinning would increase bugs. They’re ad bad this year as I’ve ever seen. WAY worse in 2017 in SW AL. On the order of about 20 times more widespread. I got 150 letters back in 2017. Less than 20 this summer.
Last edited by turkey247; 09/06/23 07:48 PM.
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Re: Southern Pine Beetle Infestations
[Re: k bush]
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09/06/23 08:38 PM
09/06/23 08:38 PM
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Fattyfireplug
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Unrelated question. Can the trees be salvaged for lumber?
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Re: Southern Pine Beetle Infestations
[Re: Mbrock]
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09/07/23 06:11 AM
09/07/23 06:11 AM
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k bush
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Making matters worse is the pine market right now. Good luck getting anyone to cut beetle infested areas. Really a no win situation at the moment. We’re fortunate that we have a real good relationship with a logger, his shop is not far from the location and he can hit that spot between jobs. He knows he’ll have lots of other opportunities to cut for us.
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Re: Southern Pine Beetle Infestations
[Re: Fattyfireplug]
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09/07/23 06:13 AM
09/07/23 06:13 AM
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k bush
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Unrelated question. Can the trees be salvaged for lumber? Structurally yes, but they usually have a blue stain on the boards. It usually goes to pulp no matter the size. But if you took it to a customer sawyer they can make lumber out of it.
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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