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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: CrappieMan] #3968426
08/29/23 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple J
Originally Posted by SEWoodsWhitetail
Originally Posted by hallb
OK, I'll ask...SEWoodsWhitetail. Do you currently have out on any properties either corn and/or a cell cam?

I have one cell cam currently and have had others in the past. They have run security detail on the gate probably 90% or more of the time. Haven’t put out a kernel of corn in I don’t know how many years.

It’s not that I have a problem directly with the cell cams or corn because I don’t. Really it just frustrates me when people are shooting the young stud bucks whether it’s over a corn/cell cam combo or not. I just think it’s happening a whole lot more with the onslaught of baiting and cell cams.

I genuinely would not lose any sleep or be frustrated over a neighbor shooting a mature buck; even with having used a cell cam or corn. The frustration comes from those deer that have the most potential getting shot at 2-3 years old.

Why do you have a problem with somebody shooting a young buck on their own property? I'd like to see all my deer make it to 5 or 6 too but I'm not losing sleep over it. I'd bet I spend more on deer every year than most on here but I'm also not gonna piss and moan about my neighbors kid killing a 2 yr old. Control your own land if you have any and let it gomat that. I manage over 6000 acres for one owner and I control what gets shot the best I can but unless you have a high fence all this other talk is what it is, just talk.

This will probably make some people mad, but I'm not one to filter the truth or my feelings on things and I'm not one to leave doubt about where I stand on a matter. Sure, everybody is at a different stage in their deer hunting. I'm not gonna get frustrated if a kid shoots a young buck as their first couple of deer or even an adult.

However, there comes a time when people have to examine themselves and realize that at some point you have to grow out of shooting every little basket rack baby buck you see and work towards the next level. I know people who used to shoot 25+ bucks a year when we had the 1 buck per day limit... at some point these people should've stopped only asking the question of "Does this make me happy?" and started asking the question of "Am I being a good steward of the resource?". This goes for everything in life. There needs to be a progression in knowledge, ability, practice, etc. Unfortunately, most are apathetic in most matters of life. Again, it's their private property and I respect that, but I feel completely justified in being frustrated with those who keep killing young bucks and never progress. Everybody wants to kill big bucks, but nobody wants to do what it takes to kill big bucks.

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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968439
08/29/23 08:13 PM
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968455
08/29/23 08:31 PM
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Good stuff SEWoods

Everybody can hunt like they want and shoot what they want. But if u at a place where u will never grow a big buck cause everybody shoots what they want when they want - its frustrating. Still gone try to enjoy the process - if good bucks show up it will b more exciting. For me personally - not mad at neighbors - just wish there were some good bucks to shoot. May b hard to grow big where i at - we will see what shows up this year - gone enjoy planting fields and trapping and try to leave it bettr than i found it


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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968457
08/29/23 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SEWoodsWhitetail
Originally Posted by Triple J
Originally Posted by SEWoodsWhitetail
Originally Posted by hallb
OK, I'll ask...SEWoodsWhitetail. Do you currently have out on any properties either corn and/or a cell cam?

I have one cell cam currently and have had others in the past. They have run security detail on the gate probably 90% or more of the time. Haven’t put out a kernel of corn in I don’t know how many years.

It’s not that I have a problem directly with the cell cams or corn because I don’t. Really it just frustrates me when people are shooting the young stud bucks whether it’s over a corn/cell cam combo or not. I just think it’s happening a whole lot more with the onslaught of baiting and cell cams.

I genuinely would not lose any sleep or be frustrated over a neighbor shooting a mature buck; even with having used a cell cam or corn. The frustration comes from those deer that have the most potential getting shot at 2-3 years old.

Why do you have a problem with somebody shooting a young buck on their own property? I'd like to see all my deer make it to 5 or 6 too but I'm not losing sleep over it. I'd bet I spend more on deer every year than most on here but I'm also not gonna piss and moan about my neighbors kid killing a 2 yr old. Control your own land if you have any and let it gomat that. I manage over 6000 acres for one owner and I control what gets shot the best I can but unless you have a high fence all this other talk is what it is, just talk.

This will probably make some people mad, but I'm not one to filter the truth or my feelings on things and I'm not one to leave doubt about where I stand on a matter. Sure, everybody is at a different stage in their deer hunting. I'm not gonna get frustrated if a kid shoots a young buck as their first couple of deer or even an adult.

However, there comes a time when people have to examine themselves and realize that at some point you have to grow out of shooting every little basket rack baby buck you see and work towards the next level. I know people who used to shoot 25+ bucks a year when we had the 1 buck per day limit... at some point these people should've stopped only asking the question of "Does this make me happy?" and started asking the question of "Am I being a good steward of the resource?". This goes for everything in life. There needs to be a progression in knowledge, ability, practice, etc. Unfortunately, most are apathetic in most matters of life. Again, it's their private property and I respect that, but I feel completely justified in being frustrated with those who keep killing young bucks and never progress. Everybody wants to kill big bucks, but nobody wants to do what it takes to kill big bucks.

Milk to meat.


So the cliff notes are: people should hunt like you think they should and not how they may want to. Gotcha


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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: N2TRKYS] #3968475
08/29/23 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
I see better and more bucks now than I ever did back in the “good ol’ days.” The hunting just seems to keep getting better every year.


Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: crocker] #3968486
08/29/23 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by crocker
Corn has always been hunted over but not like now. Now every single small land parcel has a feeder on it and no one cares about what they shoot because they just pulled it across the line from some other piece of property. Cell cameras are not the same as other cameras. I know a lot of instances where a buck moves into an area for a couple days because of a hot doe. Few years ago most people would not have known that buck had been there until they pulled the card on weekend.....now, camera goes off and said person is on the way and usually can kill that deer. Not breaking any laws but it is making a big difference.


Bingo… I personally know of three 5 year old deer that were killed last year that were killed with the six of corn and cell cams. Every buck was worn down from the rut and showed up at a corn pile in the morning. The guys monitoring the corn piles made arrangements to get off early (if they were working that day) and went that afternoon and killed him. Like you say, had it been a traditional camera they likely wouldn’t have killed any of them.

Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968489
08/29/23 09:08 PM
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968607
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Why does everyone have to have the same goals as you? I don’t get that. Grow out of shooting young bucks? Some people just go hunt and shoot what they want to for whatever reason they want. Why should your goals be forced on others? I personally use corn and cell cams and choose not to shoot young bucks. Didn’t shoot a buck last season. You’re also lumping all hunters that use corn and cell cams into the same category of hunters.

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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968650
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I personally think cell cameras have saved alot of young deer.

Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: hallb] #3968706
08/30/23 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hallb
Why does everyone have to have the same goals as you? I don’t get that. Grow out of shooting young bucks? Some people just go hunt and shoot what they want to for whatever reason they want. Why should your goals be forced on others? I personally use corn and cell cams and choose not to shoot young bucks. Didn’t shoot a buck last season. You’re also lumping all hunters that use corn and cell cams into the same category of hunters.

Amen, I would consider the philosophy of big racks a stage in hunting. Same thing with the fastest car or fastest bow. It’s a human nature mindset. All the ole timers I know have grown out of that. They’d rather shoot the first thing that steps out to head back to camp to crack a cold one and grill steaks. Everybody has different agendas and plans or cares. If big racks is all you care about your starting the foundation in the wrong state. That doesn’t mean you can’t kill big deer in bama. You definitely can.

Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: Forrestgump1] #3968729
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Originally Posted by Forrestgump1
Originally Posted by hallb
Why does everyone have to have the same goals as you? I don’t get that. Grow out of shooting young bucks? Some people just go hunt and shoot what they want to for whatever reason they want. Why should your goals be forced on others? I personally use corn and cell cams and choose not to shoot young bucks. Didn’t shoot a buck last season. You’re also lumping all hunters that use corn and cell cams into the same category of hunters.

Amen, I would consider the philosophy of big racks a stage in hunting. Same thing with the fastest car or fastest bow. It’s a human nature mindset. All the ole timers I know have grown out of that. They’d rather shoot the first thing that steps out to head back to camp to crack a cold one and grill steaks. Everybody has different agendas and plans or cares. If big racks is all you care about your starting the foundation in the wrong state. That doesn’t mean you can’t kill big deer in bama. You definitely can.



lol , back when i started we threw the racks away with the guts . when rattling got strated and a big thing here i sold mine .

Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968814
08/30/23 12:21 PM
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I know a bunch of people that hunt and kill whatever makes them happy and they don’t care what anyone thinks.

As it should be.

Far as corn goes and cell cameras, no doubt they’re a few hanging on my wall that cameras helped kill but corn played no role in it. Not even legal where I hunt anyway.

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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968827
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I think people should be able to shoot what they want to shoot. They will always be good stewards of the resources, just like bison, and passenger pigeons, and deer before the 70's. Come on gotta have faith in your brother ! And have your freedom!

Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968832
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I live in the CWD Zone in Lauderdale County, so feeding/baiting is not legal here at this time. Apparently, I am one of the few people who know this, because I hear people all the time openly talking about feeding their deer and using bait for cameras. Game warden could have a field day around here!


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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: Backwards cowboy] #3968843
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Originally Posted by Backwoods cowboy
I think people should be able to shoot what they want to shoot. They will always be good stewards of the resources, just like bison, and passenger pigeons, and deer before the 70's. Come on gotta have faith in your brother ! And have your freedom!


grin.......That's funny...... grin


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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: CNC] #3968851
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by Backwoods cowboy
I think people should be able to shoot what they want to shoot. They will always be good stewards of the resources, just like bison, and passenger pigeons, and deer before the 70's. Come on gotta have faith in your brother ! And have your freedom!


grin.......That's funny...... grin


What were the state regulations back in those days, refresh me?

Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968856
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Round ‘bout there

Shoot what you want and have fun.

That's how it should be. Unfortunately there's too much chit and ego.


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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968860
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Nobody hunts just “how they want to” anymore or according to “what makes them happy”….That stopped when we wiped out all of the deer and they had to be restocked…..Now we ALL hunt according to agreed upon rules…..Lets not pretend like we’re all free to do as we choose.

Like I said in a previous statement…..that idea of everybody doing whatever they want is just a ruse designed and preached by special interests to get all the “little guys” to blast the chit out of the deer population and keep it low across most areas while only the high rollers have any real decent hunting. Its all just a bunch of bullchitting that’s going on. It’s no wonder the public has lost trust in believing what they’re told. The guy with 6000 acres says that everyone should just do what makes them happy, wow imagine that. When everyone stops falling for the BS we’ll all have better hunting. Given enough incentive to do so, these special interests will eventually figure out other solutions.


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Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: hallb] #3968861
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Originally Posted by hallb
Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by Backwoods cowboy
I think people should be able to shoot what they want to shoot. They will always be good stewards of the resources, just like bison, and passenger pigeons, and deer before the 70's. Come on gotta have faith in your brother ! And have your freedom!


grin.......That's funny...... grin


What were the state regulations back in those days, refresh me?



Shoot what you want and have fun, we're the regulations, government actually gave bounties for bison!

Re: How Y'all Feel About...? [Re: SEWoodsWhitetail] #3968866
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People in the 50's needed to kill all them deer to feed their families. Shot em till they wiped completely out. That's what caused all those people to starve to death in alabama during the 60s. Alabama was like Ethiopia until the state restocked in the 70s. And the starvation slowed down, to the point we're at now of over population of the deer heard!

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