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Re: Speaking in Tongues
[Re: Bamarich2]
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08/09/23 03:20 PM
08/09/23 03:20 PM
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[quote=Bamarich2] I don’t understand how your belief that “tongues” is just another human language. I mean I understand that it was in acts 2 at Pentecost, but how can that be what Paul was talking about in 1Cor 14? If someone has the gift to speak in other languages without being taught those languages, why in earth would they need an interpreter? They didn’t need an interpreter for the Acts 2 account did they? No, because they spoke the languages of the people there.
If I’m in Mexico, and the Holy Spirit gives me the ability to speak Spanish without being taught, I don’t need an interpreter. See what I mean? It’s has to be talking about a language that is revealed to only the interpreter.
I mean, that’s what makes sense to me. If someone can explain why someone that speaks the language of the people the word is spoken to needs an interpreter please do.
Good question. In the Corinthian assembly, there was likely a prominent language spoken by most of the members there. However, there would also be some people like the apostles in Acts 2 - they could deliver a message from God in either their native tongue OR in a foreign language. It's also probable some only had the gift of prophecy OR the gift of tongues - they could speak a message from God but only in one language. With there being some tongue speakers in the Corinthian assembly, they were essentially told "do not preach in the foreign language unless there's someone there who can interpret the message to the Corinthians." It's also possible there would be visitors who didn't speak the language that was used in Corinth - those people should also be silent unless someone could interpret the message to the people. Using your example above, when you came home from Mexico to an English speaking church, God would tell you "don't preach in Spanish unless there's someone who can interpret that message to the English speaking people". Although you'd have the gift, it's not proper to use it in that context. That is a stretch, respectfully. Why would God have to tell me to not speak Spanish to English people? Why would the apostles speak to them in a language the people didn’t use? Also, in places like Corinth, where the new church was filled with people of different backgrounds, the congregation mostly spoke several languages. We are talking about a region that had people that spoke several languages. These people did life with each other. It wasn’t like Hebrew or Greek, or whatever the common languages were then, were foreign to them. It sounds more like you are trying to make those verses support your beliefs instead of believing in the verses. I’m still learning a lot of this about tongues and what the Bible says regarding it. I grew up southern Baptist and just started going to a non denominational church in 2020. This church believes in speaking in tongues although it has never happened in one of our regular services since I’ve been there. But I don’t see how you could read those verses and honestly think God had to tell someone to speak English to English people instead of speaking Spanish to them.
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Re: Speaking in Tongues
[Re: Dubie]
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08/09/23 03:23 PM
08/09/23 03:23 PM
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Ghost Rabbit, I must say that your interpretation of 1 Cor 14 doesn’t make sense. Why would we need the scripture to forbid us from speaking English to people that speak Spanish? That would be obvious. Scripture doesn’t need to tell us to do those kind of things. God also gave us walking around sense. If you replace the word tongues with language, it doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t specify if it is a language invented by humans or one from the heavenly beings. So what does that prove?
Why would Paul have to explain to someone that you can’t speak to someone in English that only speaks Spanish without an interpreter?? Well duh huh!! Its very clear in 1 Corinthians 14 that Paul was saying that in the church you don't speak in tongues (languages) of any kind where the people that are their do not understand whats being said, if you can't read through and see thats the plain teaching then theres nothing much i can do for you. Even if the nonsense of today that was being said is true tongues, it is clearly forbidden without an interpreter. Every use of the word tongues in the scripture refers to either a physical tongue in your mouth or a spoken language of a people. The meaning of a word is not up for debate. In order for what takes place in the name of tongues to meet the definition of a biblical tongue it would have to be a real language that is either spoken by men or angels. It clearly doesn't meet the criteria for a language, as its just crazy chanting and weird outbursts and no one knows whats being said. There is no consistency or clarity that can be understood which is required for a legitimate language. The places in scripture where people stated to have spoken in tongues saw people plainly understanding what was being said. When people spoke in what we see as miraculous tongues it was heard in real languages. When people spoke in tongues known or learned it was real languages that could be interpreted and understood by others. There is no example in the scripture of what you see done in the name of tongues today. The point of people being gathered for church was to learn the things of God and the ability to speak in tongues miraculously or learned was to further the gospel or edify the believers, which is also clearly stated in 1 Corinthians 14. What really doesn't make sense would be a God who wants his truth to be proclaimed and understood moving men to speak in a jibber jabber way that helps or edifies no one because it can't be understood. The gift of tongues had a purpose and its clearly not that. Paul sums up where I'm at with this conversation as there comes to a point where you just have to let people believe what they're going to believe. 1 Corinthians 14:37-38 King James Version 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Ghost Rabbit, I haven't had a chance to read through everything yet, but considering that the Assemblies of God has 48 million members worldwide and and Church of God has 7 million worldwide and countless other denominations that believe in speaking in tongues, that is a lot of people that are "wicked, mislead, demonic, scripturally unsound, fill in whatever other words that have been used in this thread".....
Do you honestly believe that these 60 million people that meet weekly across the US and worldwide, worship the Lord, pray with you, fast with you and for you, intercede for your needs, go boldly to the thrown of God with you and for you, tithe, seek the Lord's will in their daily lives and families, lead people to Christ are wicked and demonic? Seriously?
What do you think we are doing in our services while you are worshiping the Lord in your service? The number of people that belong to a church or denomination means nothing, I do agree there are millions that are deceived and lost which is sad and unfourtunate. There are also millions of Catholics, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witness; many who are sincere about what they believe and how they worship who are on their way to hell. I don't believe that every one who attends a church that practices the wickedness of "tongues" is lost. The requirement for heaven has nothing to do with tongues. I do believe that the majority of people who attend those churches are lost not because of tongues but because of what they believe and teach about salvation and what it takes to be saved. Luke 13:23-24 King James Version 23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
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