they are killing the working man leases. Have the timber companies price went up on leases or the involvement of AMP making profit driving them up?

If there’s something that people want there’s a whole other group of people who look to make money on it. Once people start making money on it then they want to make whatever they’re selling seem exclusive. This makes people more money and essentially prices normal folks out of the market

Trophy and TV hunters are/have killed the working mans leases.

It is'nt the timber companies. They get paid to manage it for them. From what I understand they bid x for all they have then turn around and go up on all of us idiots that pay it. They make the spread. Mine has gone up by as much as 2 dollars per acre annually since their inception. They moved onto one tract as soon as the cashed my check one year to cut the timber and worked 6 days a week the whole deer season. I reached out to the rep I was assigned at the time and she said they would give me credit on the following year. Of course, the next season it went up again and I didn't get a dime back or any cut. Typical for the times we are in. Either you will pay what they ask or find somewhere else to hunt. I asked why one tract was higher than some we have in another club and I was told bc the roads were in good shape (I used dozier to work all the roads the last 16 or so years and you USED TO COULD drive a car most places). Basically, do no improvements or plant anything on it bc that will cost you more per acre until you can't swing it. The next person will have it all fixed up... There is no end to it. They do not care about long term relationships. Fast cash..

Took the words out of my mouth… they cut all deer season last year on us, haven’t touched a road in 20 years, and will not care if fields are ruined my timber crews. We know what will happen in the future. We are already in the process of weeding out the tracts we feel are the least productive. And May have to split if we can’t come to terms membership wise. It sucks I sure do miss the first years of the club being established. I was in diapers. Boy do the times change.

We should create Aldeer Leasing LLC, select every track folks are interested in and can pay for then outbid them. Could save the fine hunters in this state thousands

I like your thinking!

I would just like to know per acre what the timber companies are receiving..

They took over a small 119 acre lease my son and I have had for between 15 and 20 years. They almost doubled the price we paid last year. We paid almost $1000.00 to have some green fields made when they clear cut it four or five years ago. My son had already decided he wasn't going to hunt it this year, but I had planned on getting it back myself for me and grandkids to hunt, but not at their new price. I have spent the last few weeks getting my stands and shooting houses off there. Kind of sad in a way as I kill one or two deer there every year, but will save me quite a bit of money and hard work. I'm about to turn 69, so maybe I need to start slowing down anyway. We have started hunting the Bankhead a lot the last three years. It is much more challenging hunting there than going to a shooting house or ladder stand and sitting and waiting on the deer, and I see very few deer there, but we are learning more about it each year. Plus, it is free, at least for now. I'm sure someone will figure out a way to gouge money for that eventually. Anyway, it's frustrating to have to let something go that has been basically a part of my life for so long. but it is what it is.

What's sad is if you guys knew the lease prices here, you'd not be happy. The reason for the demand there is lack of public land.
I can lease Weyco lands here $3-5 IF it becomes available, or at least 2 years ago could have. There's not many leases here and low demand. I bet nothings changed.
We literally have probably 300k acres of public lands located within 30mins of my home here.

Oregon is almost twice as big as Alabama acreage wise. 56.6% of the total acreage in Oregon is controlled by USFS and BLM. I'll take Alabama any day of the week, where the majority of the land is privately owned. I had no idea that the govt controlled that much land out there until I looked it up. The govt doesnt do anything well. If Alabama having cheaper leases is predicated on the govt owning and controlling more land, I'll be happy to pay more than I currently do, just to make sure that does not happen.

Spot on Abolt

Who do y’all deal with at amp?

What’s sad is I can remember when hunting land was $2,00 per acre. My how times have changed because of the so called trophy hunters and television. All complete BS because most of the land in Alabama will never produce a trophy. I’ve seen 2 in the state and I doubt any will top those. 1 being George Mann’s ( which was supposedly found hit by a car. And I took care of Mr.Mann during his last day’s). 2. Being Moss’s buck which I saw and have pictures of within a couple of hours after it was killed. His story was that he had finished his hunt, climbed out of the shooting house and jumped from the third ring up. He hit the ground and that deer changed through the brush. He threw up and shot. Reflex style and was lucky enough to have taken the largest buck he’d ever seen. Is land worth what people are paying? If the market dictates then I guess so but I can’t pay it... people are fools.

If you’re looking for a name I couldn’t tell you. Im just the note keeper.

There's over over 28 million acres of private land owned here, Bama is no caparison. No NF or BLM here... That's mainly the East side.
We're hunting timber company land just like most Alabama hunters are 99% of the time, only free. In our county alone, there's 186,000 acres of private timber company land with a free permit and an additional 136,000 acre State Forest with open access year 'round. The Gov't owning that State land has no affect on hunting.That's 322,000 acres with unlimited access with a small population. It's actually so much better than a hunting lease there because there are no silly rules to follow and that's from decades of club hunting down there. Weyco adds another 56,000 acres with limited permits and a fee of $125-$350 depending on your access method. Pretty much like that for 6-7 counties we may travel to and hunt.

Enjoy it while it lasts. There used to be alot of free or 5 to 15 dollar per permit private timber company land here. There were thousands of acres of it within easy driving distance up until the early to mid 90's. I think I remember one year in particular I spent less than 100 dollars and had access to a little over 30 thousand acres within a couple hours drive.

I'm from Alabama and have hunted there roughly 45yrs, I know the game there. What properties were you hunting? I hunted IP land several years and it was a $50 permit. I killed bigger deer there when it was permit than I did when it finally got leased out. This place isn't Alabama and I bet it lasts a few more decades for sure. It's a different beast here and the timber company's get huge tax breaks for remaining open. I guess I should add, if they were to close I think they would lose a lot of timber to forest fires... The State Forest isn't going anywhere and it's 136K acres. Hunters paradise up here

I remember the the old Soterra days when you bought a permit and could hunt any property they owned in the state

My contact was Jeremy Tankersley, president. jeremy@amphuntingland.com