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Defiance Sucks
#3904908
05/02/23 07:10 PM
05/02/23 07:10 PM
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Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,462 Mississippi
riflenut
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I had a custom rifle built with a Defiance action a couple years ago. I had issues with the bolt handle hitting the scope so I had to go with high rings. Back in December, I decided to build another custom and called Defiance because I wanted to use their anTi action. They assured me the bolt handle had been redesigned to give better scope clearance. Today I received the rifle from Isaac Gallagher and mounted the scope. Guess what? Can’t cycle the bolt with medium mounts. I’m sending the bolt back to him so he can remove some material from the bolt handle to give me a little additional clearance. At the price Defiance charges for their actions, it’s absolutely ridiculous to have these issues. I called them up this afternoon and let them know as much. I won’t buy another.
On a different note, Isaac knocked this one out of the park. I absolutely love everything about the look and feel of this rifle. Damn shame I can’t shoot it with a scope mounted.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
"I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." George Mason
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: riflenut]
#3904940
05/02/23 08:04 PM
05/02/23 08:04 PM
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Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 15,362 Ourtown, AL
BCLC
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Awwww nawww. That’s not the update I was hoping to read about with this build.
We’re not dead. We just smell that way. Dayum. - AC870
Yessir! I’m always gonna shoot what makes me happy and I want everyone else to do the same! If you shoot one be proud of it and don’t worry what anyone else thinks. - SJ22
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: riflenut]
#3905572
05/04/23 10:28 AM
05/04/23 10:28 AM
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Goatkiller
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This is not an arguable point just and observation... I don't use any of those fancy actions. I have in the past and just had problems. Nothing crazy just annoying little things like this.
The good news is this.... Issac will know next time and offer a solution or better advice on the front end about the build. I knew John pretty well and I would say for him that he appreciates you using Issac. IMO he might be better than John was at some point... he is dam good at this. He does all my work which should tell you I think he is the best around our neck of the woods. I usually have something specific I am wanting done and it's always understood and spot on done correctly.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: BPI]
#3905708
05/04/23 02:55 PM
05/04/23 02:55 PM
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Posts: 2,462 Mississippi
riflenut
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Was considering an anti ti for a future build. This is good info to have. Do you have any rifle pics and some info about it ? Would love to see it. Defiance anTi 22" Proof lite sendero AG Visigoth stock Hawkins Precision oberndorf bottom metal Wyatts extended mag box TriggerTech Midnight bronze cerakote 7mm-08 7.2 lbs scoped
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
"I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." George Mason
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: Goatkiller]
#3905709
05/04/23 02:58 PM
05/04/23 02:58 PM
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riflenut
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This is not an arguable point just and observation... I don't use any of those fancy actions. I have in the past and just had problems. Nothing crazy just annoying little things like this.
The good news is this.... Issac will know next time and offer a solution or better advice on the front end about the build. I knew John pretty well and I would say for him that he appreciates you using Issac. IMO he might be better than John was at some point... he is dam good at this. He does all my work which should tell you I think he is the best around our neck of the woods. I usually have something specific I am wanting done and it's always understood and spot on done correctly. I shipped the bolt back to Isaac today. He's going to remove some material from the bolt handle.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
"I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." George Mason
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: 3% outdoorsman]
#3907625
05/08/23 08:38 PM
05/08/23 08:38 PM
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Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 14,022 Some Marriott/Auburn
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Only time I've ever heard anything negative about defiance other than the recent price increase which will probably hurt them bad with several new actions coming out here very recently I have no first hand experience with them or their competitors but I’ve heard of 10+month wait times on the AnTix action
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: riflenut]
#3907681
05/08/23 10:27 PM
05/08/23 10:27 PM
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Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 18,057 North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Defiance Machine was recently sold to the same azzhole who bought Mcmillan stocks.
I don't see this as a good thing. They have cut back on the variety of stocks available from McM and I expect the same from Defiance.
There are numerous options on the market for custom actions today.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: Goatkiller]
#3909099
05/11/23 09:40 PM
05/11/23 09:40 PM
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Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 3,928 Woodstock
3% outdoorsman
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This is not an arguable point just and observation... I don't use any of those fancy actions. I have in the past and just had problems. Nothing crazy just annoying little things like this.
The good news is this.... Issac will know next time and offer a solution or better advice on the front end about the build. I knew John pretty well and I would say for him that he appreciates you using Issac. IMO he might be better than John was at some point... he is dam good at this. He does all my work which should tell you I think he is the best around our neck of the woods. I usually have something specific I am wanting done and it's always understood and spot on done correctly. Man you have to be more full of crap than anyone I've ever heard.lets see your Issac builds Mr. Savage I call your bluff.non stop playing off what everyone else says .quit lying
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: AU7MM08]
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05/11/23 09:43 PM
05/11/23 09:43 PM
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Only time I've ever heard anything negative about defiance other than the recent price increase which will probably hurt them bad with several new actions coming out here very recently I have no first hand experience with them or their competitors but I’ve heard of 10+month wait times on the AnTix action There's tons of new actions out there.mac bros and origins seem to be the go to on the cheap. The new aero actions look promising also
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: riflenut]
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05/12/23 12:44 PM
05/12/23 12:44 PM
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Posts: 3,831 Jasper
buckhunter2
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The ARC CDG is currently the king of sub $1K actions. Nothing else comes close feature wise but you’ll have to wait to get one.
You're only as good as your worst shot-
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: riflenut]
#3910023
05/13/23 07:13 PM
05/13/23 07:13 PM
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Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,462 Mississippi
riflenut
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I got the bolt back from Isaac today, looks fantastic, the guy is an artist. He removed about .060” from the bolt handle and it functions flawlessly now.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
"I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." George Mason
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: riflenut]
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05/22/23 10:40 AM
05/22/23 10:40 AM
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Joined: Aug 2013
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I got the bolt back from Isaac today, looks fantastic, the guy is an artist. He removed about .060” from the bolt handle and it functions flawlessly now. Can't wait to hear how she shoots
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Re: Defiance Sucks
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#3914287
05/22/23 04:55 PM
05/22/23 04:55 PM
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Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 15,362 Ourtown, AL
BCLC
Old Mossy Horns
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I got the bolt back from Isaac today, looks fantastic, the guy is an artist. He removed about .060” from the bolt handle and it functions flawlessly now. Can't wait to hear how she shoots I was able to lay eyes on some of his targets. Mighty impressive. Like 3 shots in 1 hole impressive.
We’re not dead. We just smell that way. Dayum. - AC870
Yessir! I’m always gonna shoot what makes me happy and I want everyone else to do the same! If you shoot one be proud of it and don’t worry what anyone else thinks. - SJ22
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: riflenut]
#3914309
05/22/23 05:49 PM
05/22/23 05:49 PM
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Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,462 Mississippi
riflenut
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Alright guys, I got her to the range this weekend. Very happy with the results. 10 different 3 shot groups, 5 with Nosler BTs and Varget in .5 gr intervals, 5 with Sierra GKs and Varget in .5 gr intervals. All were sub moa, with 8 being sub 3/4 moa. 6 were .688" or less. Not too shabby for early load development. Here's what she looks like scoped with a Swaro Z5 3.5-18x44: Here's the test target Isaac sent with the rifle: Here's my 1st 4 with the Sierras. If I'd a shot all 12 at the same target it probably would have held moa with 4 different powder charges. Best group of the day was a close to max charge with Nosler BTs. They were a bit more erratic than the Sierras and overall didn't shoot as well but at .040" I'll definetely be loading more.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
"I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." George Mason
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Re: Defiance Sucks
[Re: riflenut]
#3914493
05/23/23 06:39 AM
05/23/23 06:39 AM
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Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 10,410 northport
deadeye48
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Looking forward to seeing what it'll do when you stretch it out beyond 100yds
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself The older I get the better I used to be
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