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Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
#3897303
04/17/23 07:28 AM
04/17/23 07:28 AM
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Marion County, Alabama
Vernon Tull
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All my vehicles are Toyota products with the World Standard automatic transmission fluid. Toyota service departments say "just run it and don't worry about it," but on all the automotive forums guys *argue endlessly* about how often you should change the fluid. "No fluid or lubricant lasts forever," they say, and of course that's right. Toyota in Tupelo did a basic drain & fill of my Tacoma ATF, but that only actually gets a percentage of the old fluid out to be replaced by new . . . at a $250.00 cost!
Disregarding people's religious opinions about ATF changes, do any of you men have *actual experience* -- particularly with front wheel drive vehicles -- with running the factory fill of ATF up to high miles on a vehicle?
Last edited by Vernon Tull; 04/17/23 07:30 AM.
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
#3897322
04/17/23 07:59 AM
04/17/23 07:59 AM
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Kennedy, al
globe
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Booner
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Kennedy, al
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Buy the ATF fluid yourself and do several drain and fills, you’ll get the majority of it. MUCH cheaper than 250.00. I like to change it every 100,000 miles.
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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04/17/23 08:02 AM
04/17/23 08:02 AM
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Centreville
weatherby
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My work vehicle is a 2015 Rav 4 with 205k miles on it. Bought it new for my ex wife in 15. Got it back from her in December for me to use as a work vehicle. It had 178k miles on it and I noticed the "chatter" or transmission cavitation when riding. at 190k, I drained it and replaced the transmission fluid. It seemed to help, but still had a little bit of chatter. I happened to be on here and saw where folks recommended a synthetic transmission additive along with new fluid. So at 195k, I changed the fluid again along with an additive I got off Amazon and no more chatter.
I used Valvoline synthetic ATF. It was "approved" by Toyota.
If Caitlyn Jenner can keep his wiener and be considered a woman, I can keep my guns and be considered disarmed!
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: globe]
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04/17/23 08:12 AM
04/17/23 08:12 AM
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Marion County, Alabama
Vernon Tull
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Buy the ATF fluid yourself and do several drain and fills, you’ll get the majority of it. MUCH cheaper than 250.00. I like to change it every 100,000 miles. Toyotas in the last 10 years have a complicated drain/fill procedure that involves getting the transmission up to a certain temp, check the temp with a heat gun, etc. Back when owners could do a simple drain & fill and use the dipstick tube as a filler tube, I had no trouble with it. Toyota has made it a lot harder on the non-mechanic DIY guys.
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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04/17/23 08:19 AM
04/17/23 08:19 AM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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Buy the ATF fluid yourself and do several drain and fills, you’ll get the majority of it. MUCH cheaper than 250.00. I like to change it every 100,000 miles. Toyotas in the last 10 years have a complicated drain/fill procedure that involves getting the transmission up to a certain temp, check the temp with a heat gun, etc. Back when owners could do a simple drain & fill and use the dipstick tube as a filler tube, I had no trouble with it. Toyota has made it a lot harder on the non-mechanic DIY guys. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/6qKYyTSR/download.jpg)
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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04/17/23 08:26 AM
04/17/23 08:26 AM
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Centreville
weatherby
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Toyotas in the last 10 years have a complicated drain/fill procedure that involves getting the transmission up to a certain temp, check the temp with a heat gun, etc. Back when owners could do a simple drain & fill and use the dipstick tube as a filler tube, I had no trouble with it. Toyota has made it a lot harder on the non-mechanic DIY guys. It's not just Toyota. I know GM no longer has a dipstick to check your transmission fluid. I think most all manufacturers have gone this route.
If Caitlyn Jenner can keep his wiener and be considered a woman, I can keep my guns and be considered disarmed!
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
#3897401
04/17/23 10:07 AM
04/17/23 10:07 AM
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northport
deadeye48
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Booner
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northport
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My Tacoma had 270k+ on it when I replaced the radiator
Loss of trans fluid caused me to go to dealership and have all the old trans fluid pumped out and new pumped in
Never had an issue with it before and now over 280k with no issues
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself
The older I get the better I used to be
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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04/17/23 10:47 AM
04/17/23 10:47 AM
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Chelsea
Lockjaw
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World Standard fluid doesn't last as long as they say it does.
Toyota also recommended flushing a transmission, and my real world experience is DO NOT DO IT!! My 2002 got a new reman toyota transmission at around 175K miles. I put synthetic fluid in it. Since then, I "periodically" drain the pan and add 4 more quarts. It has over 380K miles now. So trans died shortly after the flush.
A couple years ago, I did a pan drop and filter change on my 2005 tundra, and added valvoline synthetic trans fluid. I took it to a transmission shop for that job, since the process of filling it and checking the level is convoluted. The owners manual in the 2002 tundra is wrong on the amount of fluid the transmission holds, by a lot. If you notice it slipping, especially after a service, check the fluid levels, it is likely they are low.
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Lockjaw]
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04/17/23 11:11 AM
04/17/23 11:11 AM
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Helena
3toe
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World Standard fluid doesn't last as long as they say it does.
Toyota also recommended flushing a transmission, and my real world experience is DO NOT DO IT!! My 2002 got a new reman toyota transmission at around 175K miles. I put synthetic fluid in it. Since then, I "periodically" drain the pan and add 4 more quarts. It has over 380K miles now. So trans died shortly after the flush.
A couple years ago, I did a pan drop and filter change on my 2005 tundra, and added valvoline synthetic trans fluid. I took it to a transmission shop for that job, since the process of filling it and checking the level is convoluted. The owners manual in the 2002 tundra is wrong on the amount of fluid the transmission holds, by a lot. If you notice it slipping, especially after a service, check the fluid levels, it is likely they are low. I wouldn't do a flush on anything outside of warranty. My experience is the risk of flushing metal particles into your valve body, which will fail shortly after. There is a magnet in the bottom of the transmission pan that collects the fine metal particles that occur through normal ear and tear. A flush can dislodge these particles, sending them through the other parts of the transmission. I changed the fluid only on one of my vehicles and that was a long time ago. I drained the fluid in the pan, dropped the pan and replaced the filter and also cleaned the magnet. No issues. My wife had a Toyota Highlander with 240K miles on it when we traded it off and it was on the original fluid. No issues.
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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04/17/23 01:34 PM
04/17/23 01:34 PM
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Hoover, AL
GmeHunter
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All my vehicles are Toyota products with the World Standard automatic transmission fluid. Toyota service departments say "just run it and don't worry about it," but on all the automotive forums guys *argue endlessly* about how often you should change the fluid. "No fluid or lubricant lasts forever," they say, and of course that's right. Toyota in Tupelo did a basic drain & fill of my Tacoma ATF, but that only actually gets a percentage of the old fluid out to be replaced by new . . . at a $250.00 cost!
Disregarding people's religious opinions about ATF changes, do any of you men have *experience* -- particularly with front-wheel drive vehicles -- with running the factory fill of ATF up to high miles on a vehicle? I have a 2007 Toyota Tundra with 289,000 miles on it, and she runs like a baby. It has never had the transmission fluid changed. I took it to a dealership at 200k miles, and they refused to do it. The head mechanic came out and talked to me about it. He said the transmission was running fine. If you change it, then you run the risk of something going wrong. The last time I was at the dealership getting new rotors and brakes, I asked again. The same response - do not mess with it. And I have not...
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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04/17/23 02:15 PM
04/17/23 02:15 PM
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St. Clair
Hornhntr
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A guy that works for me has a 4 runner that’s pushing 400k and all he has done is oil changes and an A/C compressor twice. Amazing to me. I put 145ish on a f150 transmission then the front pump seal blew out (no fault of the fluid) and have 125 on the replacement transmission with no fluid changes
Last edited by Hornhntr; 04/17/23 02:15 PM.
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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04/17/23 04:27 PM
04/17/23 04:27 PM
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alabama
BigEd
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I had a 1992 Toyota truck, no fluid changes and trans went out at 164,000. Rebuilt it got another 125,000 out of it before it caught on fire.
I currently have a 1998 Toyota Avalon with 273,000 miles and no ATF changes. Will be driving it to Talladega tomorrow.
Had a 2009 Camry until recently wrecked, 158,00 no ATF changes. Would be driving it except for the wreck
My wife always has the ATF service done for her vehicles, never had a problem with one. Nissan, Honda and Hyundai.
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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04/17/23 05:39 PM
04/17/23 05:39 PM
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N Alabama
zwick
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N Alabama
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I am debating the same question on a Sequoia with a 150000 miles. My I instinc is to do a couple of drain and fills like called for on my Hondas but I know Toyota says it is not needed. I would like to hear a technical explanation from Toyota.
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Re: Actual Experience with High Miles + Original ATF ?
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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04/17/23 07:49 PM
04/17/23 07:49 PM
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lauderdale co
brushwhacker
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Never changed oil in automatic transmission . Hard to get all oil out especially the torque converter. I see no need to mix new oil with old oil. Never had a transmission failure except an 90 f150 that had one them junk AOD transmission. Would get hot towing trailer a blow fluid out front seal but never failed . I just put more in.
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