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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: howl]
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12/25/22 10:57 PM
12/25/22 10:57 PM
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Bigbamaboy
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They say X bullets want speed and something hard to hit. Supposedly they'll tumble if too slow.
I've had a few experiences where Hornady ammo or bullet didn't do what it was supposed to do.
I used to hunt with a fella who got a deal on a case of tracers. That's all he used on deer from his Ruger .308. His family hardly ate any meat that wasn't made with that gun. He was a good shot and better tracker. And when he cut loose on a herd of does at last light it was a sight to see. TSX work best in light for caliber and fast rounds. I’ve had excellent results from 55gr 223 and 85gr 243. I’ve had fairly mundane results from conventional weight for caliber, ie 130gr 270.
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: Backwards cowboy]
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12/26/22 12:23 PM
12/26/22 12:23 PM
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Marshall County
FurFlyin
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One was a Christianson mpr with I believe a 20 inch barrel, that was the Barnes. The other was a browning bar, not sure barrel length on them. I really believe it's ammo, but I thought the Barnes was pretty much fail proof. Always shot Hornady light mags in the 3006.
I did read that. The reason that I wrote what I did is that the same .30 caliber bullets are loaded into 30-06 and 308 cases, and have relatively the same muzzle velocity. In deer hunting circumstances those .30 caliber bullets don't perform one bit differently from the 2 cases. Same bullet, moving basically the same speed. The 308 is a little slower but not enough to impact bullet performance in hunting distances.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/26/22 12:29 PM
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ford150man
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Just an FYI JohnMark, always keep crosshairs on a deer that drops immediately for several minutes preparing for a follow up shot. If they move or lift their head send it. Better advice. Go ahead and put a second round into him. You aren’t going to kill him any worse but you will prevent him from “coming back to life”. I’ve always done this. Even had the nickname “two shot” at a club I was in one time. I told them “you may call me two shot but you don’t call me “lost deer””.
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: ford150man]
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12/26/22 12:54 PM
12/26/22 12:54 PM
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Right behind you
Mbrock
Fancy
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Just an FYI JohnMark, always keep crosshairs on a deer that drops immediately for several minutes preparing for a follow up shot. If they move or lift their head send it. Better advice. Go ahead and put a second round into him. You aren’t going to kill him any worse but you will prevent him from “coming back to life”. I’ve always done this. Even had the nickname “two shot” at a club I was in one time. I told them “you may call me two shot but you don’t call me “lost deer””. Yep. My dad used to make fun of me because I would shoot a good buck 2-3 times until he was no longer moving. Lol. I said “Well Dad. You told me to make sure they were dead so that’s what I do.”😉
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: JohnMark]
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12/26/22 04:23 PM
12/26/22 04:23 PM
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Mississippi
riflenut
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I don’t hesitate to put another one in a good deer that drops right there.
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: JohnMark]
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12/26/22 07:05 PM
12/26/22 07:05 PM
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Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Elmore County
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I have one to get back up I shot it up so bad trying to put him back down there was no meat left fit to eat
I tried to spine him just back of the shoulders but went under the spine . I kill the doe that ran to me and was reloading and he got up . Hit him three times he turned on the last shot I got another she'll load and he fell on that one . Set there and watched 15 minutes before he layed his head down .
Last edited by Frankie; 12/26/22 07:18 PM.
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: Bigbamaboy]
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12/27/22 08:14 PM
12/27/22 08:14 PM
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Beadlescomb
Old Mossy Horns
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They say X bullets want speed and something hard to hit. Supposedly they'll tumble if too slow.
I've had a few experiences where Hornady ammo or bullet didn't do what it was supposed to do.
I used to hunt with a fella who got a deal on a case of tracers. That's all he used on deer from his Ruger .308. His family hardly ate any meat that wasn't made with that gun. He was a good shot and better tracker. And when he cut loose on a herd of does at last light it was a sight to see. TSX work best in light for caliber and fast rounds. I’ve had excellent results from 55gr 223 and 85gr 243. I’ve had fairly mundane results from conventional weight for caliber, ie 130gr 270. I'm shooting the 120 grain ttsx in my 6.5 creedmoor and the two bucks I've shot with it this year(180lbs and 205lbs)hit the ground and didn't flinch. I like the Barnes in light for caliber weights
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: howl]
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12/27/22 08:54 PM
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1bamashooter
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Don't want to still this thread, but a couple of you mentioned using a 308. A couple years ago I switched from 3006 to 308. Reason was could get several different styles of rifle and all shoot the same ammo. After switching I noticed alot of fails even with good shot placement. When I say fails, I'm talking about no pass through when I thought it should, deer going farther than I thought it should, not getting the groupings that I thought I should. I've tried all kinds of different ammo, from Hornady to bearnes. And everything in between. I'm really starting to wonder about a .308. 308 is slow. It's like the 30/30 in that it works just fine if you can shoot well enough but it'll never be as impressive as something faster like a 260 or 25/06. 140gr 260 isn't faster than a 308 either
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: 1bamashooter]
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12/27/22 10:05 PM
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howl
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Don't want to still this thread, but a couple of you mentioned using a 308. A couple years ago I switched from 3006 to 308. Reason was could get several different styles of rifle and all shoot the same ammo. After switching I noticed alot of fails even with good shot placement. When I say fails, I'm talking about no pass through when I thought it should, deer going farther than I thought it should, not getting the groupings that I thought I should. I've tried all kinds of different ammo, from Hornady to bearnes. And everything in between. I'm really starting to wonder about a .308. 308 is slow. It's like the 30/30 in that it works just fine if you can shoot well enough but it'll never be as impressive as something faster like a 260 or 25/06. 140gr 260 isn't faster than a 308 either Well, duh. If classed with 25/06, the rational connection is that .260 would use 120gr. An apples-to comparison of .260 to .308, keeping bullets about the same for flight characteristics and penetration, uses ~120gr in the .260 while .308 must use ~165gr. You have to use the different weights because otherwise the lighter bullets in larger calibers shed velocity too quickly to be fair.
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/27/22 10:11 PM
12/27/22 10:11 PM
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Conyers, GA and Auburn, AL
Razorsharp123
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That is the first time I’ve ever heard that said. Can’t call one in the bullseye a group eh? I know you know your stuff and there is no doubt people over complicate ballistics. Just gotta poke a tiny bit.
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Re: Reviving Deer?
[Re: Razorsharp123]
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12/27/22 10:34 PM
12/27/22 10:34 PM
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Right behind you
Mbrock
Fancy
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Fancy
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That is the first time I’ve ever heard that said. Can’t call one in the bullseye a group eh? I know you know your stuff and there is no doubt people over complicate ballistics. Just gotta poke a tiny bit. Hey. I shot twice. I hit within 1” both shots. There any need for shooting again after that? No. 😂🤷🏼♂️
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