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Re: Libertarians [Re: joshm28] #3783827
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Originally Posted by joshm28
This is exactly why republicans never win. Instead of trying to garner more votes they constantly infight. I’m a libertarian by the way and I’ve never voted for a democrat in the 25 years I’ve been eligible to vote. I’ll vote the best candidate whether independent, libertarian or Republican in the primaries but always vote “conservative” in the majors.

Abortion is a states right and shouldn’t be funded by tax payers. I’m totally against it but that’s between that person and the good lord. Same with most issues on moral standing. Marriage is defined by the Bible but if two individuals want to go into a civil Union then more power to them. Again a states right.



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Re: Libertarians [Re: twaldrop4] #3783835
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Originally Posted by twaldrop4
Historically libertarians are super conservative leaning.



I've voted Libertarian my entire life. I find that I'm FAR more conservative than 99% of the people I talk to. The federal gov't should be limited to powers and duties EXPRESSLY enumerated in the Constitution and that's it. You'll never find a Republican that will argue for getting rid of Social Security or the FBI or the CIA or the IRS or the Federal Reserve. None of which are in the Constitution. Republicans are just small (d)emocrats.


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Re: Libertarians [Re: 2Dogs] #3783838
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Is the Libertarian in Jawga gonna throw his support to #34 or the wife beatin' Preacher?

Well if they want to vote on Dec. 6 they are going to have to shat or get off the pot one way or another.


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Re: Libertarians [Re: William] #3783840
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Originally Posted by William
Originally Posted by twaldrop4
Historically libertarians are super conservative leaning.



I've voted Libertarian my entire life. I find that I'm FAR more conservative than 99% of the people I talk to. The federal gov't should be limited to powers and duties EXPRESSLY enumerated in the Constitution and that's it. You'll never find a Republican that will argue for getting rid of Social Security or the FBI or the CIA or the IRS or the Federal Reserve. None of which are in the Constitution. Republicans are just small (d)emocrats.


I agree. However, Im not saying I'm against all the things the federal govt does now that wasnt in the original constitution. It is just that there needs to be ammendments added to reflect any additional responsibilities if that is the direction the country wants to go. Not just by congress or even worse by executive order.

Re: Libertarians [Re: twaldrop4] #3783852
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Josh, I respect your position, and you are correct about conservatives infighting. We hold differing opinions on abortion, however. You believe it’s a states right, and believe it’s between the woman and the Lord. While technically true, it is also exactly the same thing as a mass murderer going on a killing spree in an elementary school. That’s the main problem, in my opinion. We have become so desensitized that we don’t consider abortion what it actually is, murder. There are laws against murder, it’s not just between a woman and the Lord.


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Re: Libertarians [Re: TurkeyJoe] #3783862
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Originally Posted by TurkeyJoe
Josh, I respect your position, and you are correct about conservatives infighting. We hold differing opinions on abortion, however. You believe it’s a states right, and believe it’s between the woman and the Lord. While technically true, it is also exactly the same thing as a mass murderer going on a killing spree in an elementary school. That’s the main problem, in my opinion. We have become so desensitized that we don’t consider abortion what it actually is, murder. There are laws against murder, it’s not just between a woman and the Lord.


I didn't say "woman" I said that person. If both consent then well they will answer for it one day as well as the technician that performs it.. IF a state wants to ban it for all intensive purposes (yes vote from me) then they SHOULD have that right. My view on it is NO DIFFERENT than yours or most on this website. All I am saying is the federal government should NEVER have any say so in that or ANY MEDICAL RELATED topic. It's really two separate arguments. Should it be legal (yes or no) AND should the Government have any say so in matters such as this.

Re: Libertarians [Re: twaldrop4] #3784023
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I voted for libertarian instead of Britt.

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Abortion ain’t my cup of tea. The secular side of me says we don’t need a bunch of unwanted and underfunded kids filling the voter rolls.

The compassionate and hard line constitutional conservative side of me thinks it deprives someone of life and liberty without due process of law.

My stance eventually boils down to reasonable expectations. I won’t kill my baby. I can’t expect to physically stop everyone that wants to kill theirs. Would it be better to document and prosecute every single person that killed a baby? Sure. We can all agree on that. I don’t dwell on it though. God gives people free will. What they end up doing with it is between the two of them.

You can tell people they are wrong and what god wants until you’re blue in the face. At the end of the day, all you’ll have to show for it is a blue face and whatever you think god wants you to do for him. That’s not my calling, but if it’s yours; have at it.

Re: Libertarians [Re: Lockjaw] #3784106
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
I voted for libertarian instead of Britt.


Im not knocking your vote but the libertarian vote drew 2% statewide. Was it worth burning time and gas to vote?


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Re: Libertarians [Re: jawbone] #3784195
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Originally Posted by jawbone
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Is the Libertarian in Jawga gonna throw his support to #34 or the wife beatin' Preacher?

Well if they want to vote on Dec. 6 they are going to have to shat or get off the pot one way or another.


As a group they kinda strike me as " well I'll show them , I'm not votin' for either of them" . They better get to the polls and vote for #34. if they are really conservative .



"Why do you ask"?

Always vote the slowest path to socialism.







Re: Libertarians [Re: 2Dogs] #3784201
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by jawbone
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Is the Libertarian in Jawga gonna throw his support to #34 or the wife beatin' Preacher?

Well if they want to vote on Dec. 6 they are going to have to shat or get off the pot one way or another.


As a group they kinda strike me as " well I'll show them , I'm not votin' for either of them" . They better get to the polls and vote for #34. if they are really conservative .


Get to claim the best of both worlds?

I imagine the abortion issue is a conundrum

A good friend that has been a libertarian for the longest, sides with the baby after a certain point.


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Re: Libertarians [Re: twaldrop4] #3784220
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I consider myself a Reaganite. A fiscal constitutional conservative. Libertarian doesn’t mean liberal. It means liberty. Somehow the definition has been changed over the years twenty years or so. I don’t know any Libertarians that would vote for a progressive leftist democrat.


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Re: Libertarians [Re: Happysappy] #3784228
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Originally Posted by Happysappy
Originally Posted by Lockjaw
I voted for libertarian instead of Britt.


Im not knocking your vote but the libertarian vote drew 2% statewide. Was it worth burning time and gas to vote?



My polling place is on the way to work. Plus voting means I have a right to complain.

Re: Libertarians [Re: TurkeyJoe] #3784244
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Originally Posted by TurkeyJoe
Josh, I respect your position, and you are correct about conservatives infighting. We hold differing opinions on abortion, however. You believe it’s a states right, and believe it’s between the woman and the Lord. While technically true, it is also exactly the same thing as a mass murderer going on a killing spree in an elementary school. That’s the main problem, in my opinion. We have become so desensitized that we don’t consider abortion what it actually is, murder. There are laws against murder, it’s not just between a woman and the Lord.


Let's say it's murder. If it is, just let the lord handle it. Let that person be judged by all mighty. There will be enough punishment for that person. I am against abortion, in 99% of circumstances I would want my children to not get an abortion. If my uncle rapes my daughter and she get pregnant, then yes I would want her to abort that child. I don't see that as a "child of god". I can't.

The real issue for me is people think if its outlawed, then it goes away. It doesn't. Teenage abortion rates and really sex by teenagers has dropped drastically compared to when I was in high school. We have made great strides in this area. Let's continue to focus on absence and education, this will save more lives.

Re: Libertarians [Re: twaldrop4] #3784246
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I also voted Libertarian and commend those that took a stance and did not vote for Republicans such as Kay Ivey. If you did, to me that's a wasted vote. You basically told the Republican Party its ok to raise our taxes... we will just bend over.

Re: Libertarians [Re: Lockjaw] #3784265
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Originally Posted by Happysappy
Originally Posted by Lockjaw
I voted for libertarian instead of Britt.


Im not knocking your vote but the libertarian vote drew 2% statewide. Was it worth burning time and gas to vote?



My polling place is on the way to work. Plus voting means I have a right to complain.



Nailed it, I can say I didn't vote Democrat or for "MeeMaw". And I don't want to hear anybody complain about "MeeMaw" or "Momma on a Mission" that voted for them! A wasted vote does not equate to picking "winners". Especially when the winners are proven RINO's.

Re: Libertarians [Re: bama_earl] #3784275
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Originally Posted by bama_earl
I also voted Libertarian and commend those that took a stance and did not vote for Republicans such as Kay Ivey. If you did, to me that's a wasted vote. You basically told the Republican Party its ok to raise our taxes... we will just bend over.



MeeMaw ordered my small business shut down. Katie Britt's mentor was a reformed Democrat and the worst pork barrel spender in Congress. Let's not even go into the Roy Moore/Doug Jones fiasco. The Rs will continue to run crappy candidates if you continue to vote for them. Stop doing it.


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Originally Posted by hoggin
While a decent enough concept I guess, all they accomplish EVER is splitting Republican tickets and assisting in supporting Dems


We just need a bunch of libertarians to run on the republican ticket.



Exactly 👆
That's the only thing that might save our country.

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If you had to slap a label on me, it would be libertarian. I don't see how someone can be fiscally conservative and pro social security and medicare. If you were just getting back what you put in, then they wouldn't be the top two drivers of our national debt. It's a ponzi scheme, and my generation did not have enough kids to steal from, so it will collapse in my lifetime. It also gave human beings serial numbers, and created a society where we abandon our parents in nursing homes.

Another thing that makes me libertarian is my belief in freedom, even if it's an activity I find repulsive. People should be able to have drug fueled gay orgies if they want, but parents should be free to rip the throat out of anyone who brings that chit around their kids.

Re: Libertarians [Re: bama_earl] #3784296
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Originally Posted by bama_earl
Originally Posted by TurkeyJoe
Josh, I respect your position, and you are correct about conservatives infighting. We hold differing opinions on abortion, however. You believe it’s a states right, and believe it’s between the woman and the Lord. While technically true, it is also exactly the same thing as a mass murderer going on a killing spree in an elementary school. That’s the main problem, in my opinion. We have become so desensitized that we don’t consider abortion what it actually is, murder. There are laws against murder, it’s not just between a woman and the Lord.


Let's say it's murder. If it is, just let the lord handle it. Let that person be judged by all mighty. There will be enough punishment for that person. I am against abortion, in 99% of circumstances I would want my children to not get an abortion. If my uncle rapes my daughter and she get pregnant, then yes I would want her to abort that child. I don't see that as a "child of god". I can't.

The real issue for me is people think if its outlawed, then it goes away. It doesn't. Teenage abortion rates and really sex by teenagers has dropped drastically compared to when I was in high school. We have made great strides in this area. Let's continue to focus on absence and education, this will save more lives.


Not real clear on your point Earl. “Let’s say it’s murder. If it is, let the Lord handle it”. Are you proposing we redact all laws dealing with murder in this country, or are you saying your philosophy should only apply to the murder of babies?


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