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Property investment help
#3672597
05/17/22 04:42 PM
05/17/22 04:42 PM
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Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,906 Alabama
Cactus_buck
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Ok fellas so I just picked up a vacant 2/1 cinder block house at the tax sale. I over paid for it in my opinion but some jerk at the sale kept running the bid up. I don’t even know if he bought anything. I’m sure he may have been hired to do that. ANYWAY. This was our first tax purchase and would be a potential third rental. It was a big deal because it’s adjacent to my 29 acres and my home. I wanted it to control who moved in and obvious addition to what I already own. I know I have to pay taxes on it for three years then I get the title. Im fairly certain that the property had a lien against it. Does that affect me any? Im not THAT concerned with it because I wanted to prevent riff raff and will never sell so im not so worried about a clear title. But I wanna slowly rehab it. The lady doesn’t live there and can’t pay the taxes (evident it was at flash sale) so im somewhat confident that she can’t pay what she would now owe currently. Wait or slow rehab?
Last edited by Cactus_buck; 05/17/22 05:32 PM.
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Cactus_buck]
#3672615
05/17/22 05:25 PM
05/17/22 05:25 PM
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Joined: Jan 2017
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Andalusia
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I would never rehab a house with someone living in it that just lost the home. You see it all the time where folks are foreclosed on then when they leave they remove anything of value from the home and sell it or just trash the house on the way out.
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Andalusia]
#3672617
05/17/22 05:30 PM
05/17/22 05:30 PM
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Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,906 Alabama
Cactus_buck
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I would never rehab a house with someone living in it that just lost the home. You see it all the time where folks are foreclosed on then when they leave they remove anything of value from the home and sell it or just trash the house on the way out. Sorry I wasn’t clear. The house is vacant and has been for at least 7-8 years.
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
#3672627
05/17/22 05:56 PM
05/17/22 05:56 PM
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Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 14,021 Some Marriott/Auburn
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she’d have to pay you back for renovations as well. I haven’t really ever explored buying via tax auctions but I believe that is correct
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: hallb]
#3672633
05/17/22 06:06 PM
05/17/22 06:06 PM
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Posts: 15,349 Ourtown, AL
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she’d have to pay you back for renovations as well. I haven’t really ever explored buying via tax auctions but I believe that is correct “Necessary” repairs only. No major improvements or changes would qualify. So you get to take possession of it before you pay the 3 years of taxes on it? Guess I never knew how that worked. At auction you’re issued a tax certificate, after 3yrs of payment the state will then issue a deed for the property.
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Cactus_buck]
#3672640
05/17/22 06:20 PM
05/17/22 06:20 PM
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Posts: 3,550 Lower Alabama
Andalusia
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I would repair anything that is critical like a roof leak etc, but if I understand correctly, the owner can pay the back taxes and any interest and cost for necessary repairs and then the house is hers again. I would spend my effort on cleaning up the yard/property and keeping the yard mowed.
"If you are the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room"
"How you do Anything, is how you do Everything"
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Cactus_buck]
#3672646
05/17/22 06:24 PM
05/17/22 06:24 PM
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Posts: 5,689 Henry county
coldtrail
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I believe they will have to repay you for a if they decide to pay the the taxes. Keep up with your expenses and go for it.
"And the days that I keep my gratitude Higher than my expectations Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Cactus_buck]
#3672681
05/17/22 08:02 PM
05/17/22 08:02 PM
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Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 19,088 Chelsea, AL
straycat
Old Mossy Horns
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Necessary repairs and reasonable maintenance. If they do come back they will have to satisfy the back taxes, cover your eligible repairs and maintenance plus interest...at one time and before the 3 year wait is up.
I'd make it habitable based on HUD standards...considered reasonable and necessary as the minimum for Section 8 or other federal housing standards. Not that you have to accept them, but you would be bringing the house up to an recognized acceptable standard. Hard for anyone to argue you went above what is necessary if you took that property standard approach.
Then rent for cash flow until you have the deed outright and it's yours to do with what you want.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Cactus_buck]
#3672736
05/17/22 09:17 PM
05/17/22 09:17 PM
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Posts: 668 Ms
FX4
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Not sure on Alabama but in Ms you would be trespassing if you are on the property before you have a tax deed.
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Cactus_buck]
#3672776
05/17/22 11:12 PM
05/17/22 11:12 PM
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Posts: 19,088 Chelsea, AL
straycat
Old Mossy Horns
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Tax deed, is the deed. But it is not the Title. Tax delinquent properties that end up being a tax sale Certificate (under 3 years) or a tax sale deed property (after 3 years delinquent) no longer have a continuous chain of title. So it requires filing a quiet title action with the court. This will then give full ownership. In a traditional real estate sale one owner transfers ownership title to the purchaser. Tax properties don't have that option so you have to file for the title after you receive the tax deed.
Last edited by straycat; 05/17/22 11:14 PM.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: straycat]
#3672777
05/17/22 11:28 PM
05/17/22 11:28 PM
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Posts: 4,906 Alabama
Cactus_buck
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Tax deed, is the deed. But it is not the Title. Tax delinquent properties that end up being a tax sale Certificate (under 3 years) or a tax sale deed property (after 3 years delinquent) no longer have a continuous chain of title. So it requires filing a quiet title action with the court. This will then give full ownership. In a traditional real estate sale one owner transfers ownership title to the purchaser. Tax properties don't have that option so you have to file for the title after you receive the tax deed. Very useful thank you.
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Cactus_buck]
#3672800
05/18/22 06:34 AM
05/18/22 06:34 AM
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FX4
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Also from my time years ago doing tax sells in Ms, Lien holders will normally wait until just before the taxes are delinquent the third year before they step in and pay them. If you could be sure there isn't a Lein on the property, the easiest thing would be to offer her a couple thousand to sign you a deed to the property. If she can't pay the taxes she would probably be glad to get the money and you wouldn't have to sit around wondering for two years wether you are going to end up with it or not.
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Cactus_buck]
#3672816
05/18/22 07:27 AM
05/18/22 07:27 AM
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Posts: 3,550 Lower Alabama
Andalusia
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Lower Alabama
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Just wondering:
If the home owner owes several people money and they all placed a lien on the home and the home was auctioned off due to not paying taxes.....if the liens are to be paid off by the new owner when they take title and the amount is more than the home is worth...what happens?? Is this scenario possible?
If there are liens, can they be identified prior to bidding on properties?
"If you are the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room"
"How you do Anything, is how you do Everything"
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Andalusia]
#3672824
05/18/22 07:42 AM
05/18/22 07:42 AM
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Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,906 Alabama
Cactus_buck
OP
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Alabama
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Just wondering:
If the home owner owes several people money and they all placed a lien on the home and the home was auctioned off due to not paying taxes.....if the liens are to be paid off by the new owner when they take title and the amount is more than the home is worth...what happens?? Is this scenario possible?
If there are liens, can they be identified prior to bidding on properties? That’s the case with this place. I tried buying it several years ago and she could never produce a clear title due to some shady stuff and the house had a $300k lien on it from a foreclosure on another home. The house is worth $30k on a good day. I’m not paying any lien. I don’t care if it doesn’t have a clear title because I don’t plan on selling it in my lifetime because it’s adjoining my property. I just wanted it to prevent someone moving in that a $30k would attract and I can control what happens to it.
Last edited by Cactus_buck; 05/18/22 07:43 AM.
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Re: Property investment help
[Re: Cactus_buck]
#3672849
05/18/22 08:39 AM
05/18/22 08:39 AM
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Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,550 Lower Alabama
Andalusia
10 point
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10 point
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Posts: 3,550
Lower Alabama
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Just wondering:
If the home owner owes several people money and they all placed a lien on the home and the home was auctioned off due to not paying taxes.....if the liens are to be paid off by the new owner when they take title and the amount is more than the home is worth...what happens?? Is this scenario possible?
If there are liens, can they be identified prior to bidding on properties? That’s the case with this place. I tried buying it several years ago and she could never produce a clear title due to some shady stuff and the house had a $300k lien on it from a foreclosure on another home. The house is worth $30k on a good day. I’m not paying any lien. I don’t care if it doesn’t have a clear title because I don’t plan on selling it in my lifetime because it’s adjoining my property. I just wanted it to prevent someone moving in that a $30k would attract and I can control what happens to it.
"If you are the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room"
"How you do Anything, is how you do Everything"
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
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