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China Passenger Plane Crash #3636347
03/21/22 07:52 AM
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The crash was caught on tape, no survivors, total nose dive, more bad news for Boeing and the 737.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...et-carrying-133-crashes-rural-China.html


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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: Skinny] #3636359
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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: Skinny] #3636368
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Wow. That's about as vertical coming down as you can get.So sad.

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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: Skinny] #3636429
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was this one of the 737MAX planes? have they been put back into service? doesn't exactly give you the warm-fuzzy's about flying on a boeing.....


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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: GomerPyle] #3636433
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle

was this one of the 737MAX planes? have they been put back into service? doesn't exactly give you the warm-fuzzy's about flying on a boeing.....


Negative, according to above article.

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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: Skinny] #3636442
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I can't imagine the terror those poor folks felt.


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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: Skinny] #3636496
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737 has a gazillion hrs of safe flying. My guess is being China it was something substandard about the way it was being flown or maintained. Of course being in China we’ll never know for sure.


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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: Hunting-231] #3636521
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Originally Posted by Hunting-231
I can't imagine the terror those poor folks felt.


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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: Skinny] #3636598
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Terrible for the passengers.

Question for aviation people: what would cause a passenger jet like that to go into a pure 100% nose dive?
I mean, other then a suicidal captain.


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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: WmHunter] #3636602
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Originally Posted by WmHunter
Terrible for the passengers.

Question for aviation people: what would cause a passenger jet like that to go into a pure 100% nose dive?
I mean, other then a suicidal captain.

Had to have been a control failure. An engine failure wouldn’t do it.

Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: willdo22] #3636610
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Originally Posted by willdo22
Originally Posted by Hunting-231
I can't imagine the terror those poor folks felt.


Some probably had heart attacks before impact


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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: Skinny] #3636613
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The MAX version had some automatic system that would push the nose down to prevent stalling out when climbing. It was too aggressive or would get stuck in nose down position or something like that. If this was not a Max, then I don’t know.

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The news is saying it was likely a control system malfunction, even a suicidal pilot couldnt do that with a passenger jet.


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Originally Posted by top cat
Originally Posted by willdo22
Originally Posted by Hunting-231
I can't imagine the terror those poor folks felt.


Some probably had heart attacks before impact


I'm not watching the video. I basically have two scenarios that I never want to be in:

1. One like this.
2. Being stuck out in the middle of the ocean in a life jacket wondering when a shark is going to eat me. Piece by piece...

This jet thing is the reason I have a simple prayer I always say every time I am on the runway taxiing to the take-off spot. That prayer is: "Dear Heavenly Father please bring me safely back to earth." And every time I touch down I give thanks to God form bringing me back down to Earth safely.

Mrs. Irish always want to book us flights and fly somewhere, and I'm like, "It's only 2,354 miles, can't we just drive?" grin

I know statistically is safer to fly than to drive, but damn, that was a hell of a ride to the other side for those poor folks.

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Originally Posted by WmHunter
Terrible for the passengers.

Question for aviation people: what would cause a passenger jet like that to go into a pure 100% nose dive?
I mean, other then a suicidal captain.


I would guess a catastrophic structural failure. Hope the black boxes are usable.

Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: WmHunter] #3636659
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Originally Posted by WmHunter
Terrible for the passengers.

Question for aviation people: what would cause a passenger jet like that to go into a pure 100% nose dive?
I mean, other then a suicidal captain.


I don't know if the failure mode exists in 737-800s for the elevator, but I know it has occurred with the rudder--anyways there is such a thing called a "hard over" hydraulic failure. If this failure were to occur in the elevator servos, the elevator could go into full deflection downward (upward would be the other failure mode). Full downward deflection would cause and uncontrollable nose dive.

Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: Skinny] #3636660
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Originally Posted by Skinny
The news is saying it was likely a control system malfunction, even a suicidal pilot couldnt do that with a passenger jet.

For someone who has been in the airline industry for 38 years I have never seen a video like that. The 800 series has a great record. Flown on it many times.


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Re: China Passenger Plane Crash [Re: willdo22] #3636697
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Originally Posted by willdo22
Originally Posted by Hunting-231
I can't imagine the terror those poor folks felt.



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