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Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3632181
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Thanks for the responses. I may start by just trying a couple spots with a durana/crimson/arrowleaf mix. Give it a couple years and see how it does before trying to switch any other fields. It also sounds like I may have better luck if I choose the shadier plots that hold more moisture.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3632209
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I had one Sandy plot on edge of creek that I experimented with for several years but never had any luck. Finally let it go and planted oak trees. Best luck I had was planting rye and crimson using throw & mow method. Also had good luck with chufa until hogs found.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3632348
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if hogs like chufa i got a few areas i will plant t o keep them off the Greenfields


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Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3632352
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I heard Chula was originally brought over here by the Spanish to plant for hog feed. That's why I'm scared to plant it for turkey's.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3633227
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I wouldnt mix Durana with any other blend. It is a special clover made for harsh Southern weather. It is also shorter than crimson and arrowhead clover. I have many acres planted in clover and straight Durana or straight Whitetail Institute is the way to go. Both are more palatable and produce more and higher protein. . And both will last .

Crimson clover is one of the least desirable for deer I have found though easiest to grow. I NEVER plant it.

I would not dilute Durana with any other clover. It defeats the purpose of planting Durana.

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Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3633312
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I have durana mixed in with WTI clover in places. Trying to compare how they do and see if the deer like one more than the other.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3633470
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I’ve never had much luck with straight clover plots. I’ve found the deer like mixes the best.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3633828
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I have had very good luck with it. Especially with Whitetail and Plot Spike. This is going to be my first spring with Durana. The only thing where I struggle with it is I think you need to add something in the fall. So usually the plots get eaten down, and its more like carpet.

So I am going to add some wheat and a few other annuals in the fall to increase plot production.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: Here4fun] #3633836
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Originally Posted by Here4fun
Crimson clover is one of the least desirable for deer I have found though easiest to grow. I NEVER plant it.



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Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3633841
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CNC that is a well known fact. Crimson clover while the easiest to grow is by far the least desirable of clovers as far as palatability. They prefer White Clovers over them for sure.

And I never plant Crimson. I dont understand what is funny unless you mean your no till plots... lol

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I have ACRES of Durana clover plots with Chicory. That is all that is in them and the deer will walk through the bordering ACRES of fall food plots to all end up eating the clover. It is WHY we are planting all year round plantings this year. I am planting 5 to 10 acre fields CNC, not little areas in my yard like it appears youre doing.

I have test plots of 2 to 3 acres planted in just about everything you can try to plant including ALFALFA which is by far the hardest plant to get established in the south. This year I will have over 35 acres just of year round food plots.

Not tiny little "No Till" plots that to me look like weed beds... but actual year round plots of high protein food that helps antler development and gives the deer destination plots. Not kill Plots. Plots where they spend all night browsing or just LYING in my fields.

No offense but I never use "No Till" I think it is a joke.

We weed kill, bushog, fertilize, lime and disc here before planting then we MAINTAIN our plots all year by both mowing and spraying. Nothing is EASY about it. I have been working everyday for three weeks planting and am going out to disc 10 acres this am. But laugh if you want.

I do at your Little "No Till plots" trust me! shocked grin Though they are "Cute" I guess .

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Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3633856
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Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3633858
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If I had a drill I'd be a no tilling fool. In sandy soil I'd probably only use a drag or toothed harrow.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3633882
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257 has his for sale I think if he hasnt already sold it. Give him a call.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: Here4fun] #3633898
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Originally Posted by Here4fun
I have ACRES of Durana clover plots with Chicory. That is all that is in them and the deer will walk through the bordering ACRES of fall food plots to all end up eating the clover. It is WHY we are planting all year round plantings this year. I am planting 5 to 10 acre fields CNC, not little areas in my yard like it appears youre doing.

I have test plots of 2 to 3 acres planted in just about everything you can try to plant including ALFALFA which is by far the hardest plant to get established in the south. This year I will have over 35 acres just of year round food plots.

Not tiny little "No Till" plots that to me look like weed beds... but actual year round plots of high protein food that helps antler development and gives the deer destination plots. Not kill Plots. Plots where they spend all night browsing or just LYING in my fields.

No offense but I never use "No Till" I think it is a joke.

We weed kill, bushog, fertilize, lime and disc here before planting then we MAINTAIN our plots all year by both mowing and spraying. Nothing is EASY about it. I have been working everyday for three weeks planting and am going out to disc 10 acres this am. But laugh if you want.

I do at your Little "No Till plots" trust me! shocked grin Though they are "Cute" I guess .


Unfortunately, I don't have acre's to plant. This is my first spring with Durana. What I have been doing is adding clover like durana and whitetail in the fall and throughout the hunting season. I also put out WTI Fusion and Chic Magnet. The deer eat it like its going out of style, but my production does fall off when it gets colder.

This is my second spring time of doing this. Last spring, what I noticed is when I came out and cut all the plots that I planted clover/fusion in, is they really took off. Then I added fertilizer which also helped. So I am hoping for even more of that this spring.

But like you I am moving towards having a perennial food plot set up with mainly clover and chicory. The deer and turkey just wear them out.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: Here4fun] #3633906
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Originally Posted by Here4fun
I have ACRES of Durana clover plots with Chicory. That is all that is in them and the deer will walk through the bordering ACRES of fall food plots to all end up eating the clover. It is WHY we are planting all year round plantings this year. I am planting 5 to 10 acre fields CNC, not little areas in my yard like it appears youre doing.

I have test plots of 2 to 3 acres planted in just about everything you can try to plant including ALFALFA which is by far the hardest plant to get established in the south. This year I will have over 35 acres just of year round food plots.

Not tiny little "No Till" plots that to me look like weed beds... but actual year round plots of high protein food that helps antler development and gives the deer destination plots. Not kill Plots. Plots where they spend all night browsing or just LYING in my fields.

No offense but I never use "No Till" I think it is a joke.

We weed kill, bushog, fertilize, lime and disc here before planting then we MAINTAIN our plots all year by both mowing and spraying. Nothing is EASY about it. I have been working everyday for three weeks planting and am going out to disc 10 acres this am. But laugh if you want.

I do at your Little "No Till plots" trust me! shocked grin Though they are "Cute" I guess .


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Like I said. Cute little plots. shocked grin

I am talking about large multi acre Year round food plots of Clover/Chicory or Whitetail Extreme. Your comparing Apples to oranges...well actually Grapes smile

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Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: Lockjaw] #3634260
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Originally Posted by Here4fun
I have ACRES of Durana clover plots with Chicory. That is all that is in them and the deer will walk through the bordering ACRES of fall food plots to all end up eating the clover. It is WHY we are planting all year round plantings this year. I am planting 5 to 10 acre fields CNC, not little areas in my yard like it appears youre doing.

I have test plots of 2 to 3 acres planted in just about everything you can try to plant including ALFALFA which is by far the hardest plant to get established in the south. This year I will have over 35 acres just of year round food plots.

Not tiny little "No Till" plots that to me look like weed beds... but actual year round plots of high protein food that helps antler development and gives the deer destination plots. Not kill Plots. Plots where they spend all night browsing or just LYING in my fields.

No offense but I never use "No Till" I think it is a joke.

We weed kill, bushog, fertilize, lime and disc here before planting then we MAINTAIN our plots all year by both mowing and spraying. Nothing is EASY about it. I have been working everyday for three weeks planting and am going out to disc 10 acres this am. But laugh if you want.

I do at your Little "No Till plots" trust me! shocked grin Though they are "Cute" I guess .


Unfortunately, I don't have acre's to plant. This is my first spring with Durana. What I have been doing is adding clover like durana and whitetail in the fall and throughout the hunting season. I also put out WTI Fusion and Chic Magnet. The deer eat it like its going out of style, but my production does fall off when it gets colder.

This is my second spring time of doing this. Last spring, what I noticed is when I came out and cut all the plots that I planted clover/fusion in, is they really took off. Then I added fertilizer which also helped. So I am hoping for even more of that this spring.

But like you I am moving towards having a perennial food plot set up with mainly clover and chicory. The deer and turkey just wear them out.


Definitely the way to go. Saves replanting every fall. That is how is do it. Every year adding more. Throw out some lime, even just a few hundred pounds per acres and the clover will really pop.

Re: Clover in sandy soil [Re: jdfarm23] #3634638
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Thats what I will do if I can find some pellet lime on sale again this year. Then go out with my 3pt spreader and spread it. Then do the same with fertilizer. I should be able to maintain my PH that way.

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Originally Posted by Here4fun
I wouldnt mix Durana with any other blend. It is a special clover made for harsh Southern weather. It is also shorter than crimson and arrowhead clover. I have many acres planted in clover and straight Durana or straight Whitetail Institute is the way to go. Both are more palatable and produce more and higher protein. . And both will last .

Crimson clover is one of the least desirable for deer I have found though easiest to grow. I NEVER plant it.

I would not dilute Durana with any other clover. It defeats the purpose of planting Durana.


Assume you are broadcasting Durana (or WTI) and Chic Magnet over the same area and not segregating. What are the rates per acre?.

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