And we had a thread on here the other day about guest rules and most of them boiled down to basically no damn guests. All about “trophy” deer.

And dog hunting was just about killed by these “trophy” hunters that always complained about it running off their big bucks.

Dogs crossing property lines is what killed dog hunting.

Dogs crossing property lines were not near the problem as people want to think they are until this “trophy” deer hunting mindset really set in. Most people have never been encroached upon by someone’s dog they just like to repeat that mantra they've heard before. Many responsible dog hunters that are trying to keep the tradition alive are tone breaking their dogs and using technology to keep the peace.

Dogs crossing property lines is STILL an issue. I’ve had leases all over this state and dog issues with at lease 75% of those tracts. To say I’m repeating a mantra is a complete lie.

I don’t care if you dog hunt as long as those dogs stay on YOUR property. Most don’t. And while it probably doesn’t mess things up I do not want to spend weeks and thousands of dollars getting my lease or personal property the way I want it and have dogs run deer on, around, or through it. That’s not me being rude, selfish or an a$$. It’s just common courtesy and a LARGE portion of dog hunters don’t know what that is.

We dealt with dog hunters bringing the dogs over and dropping them on our property

We had dog hunters walk them down our roads and let them go. We had dog hunters turn them loose on one side knowing they’d cross us and circle back if they jumped a deer.

Had a guy I know kill a pit full of deer dogs. He played nice but the dog club insisted on dropping dogs off the blacktop for the dogs to run across his property. He asked them nicely to not do that several times. Finally dug a big hole and got a bunch of tires. Huge fire after those truck drove off. He quit hunting after that.

I’m still not against dog deer hunting. Just the azzholes that abuse other hunters rights.

I doubt you any know a large portion of dog hunters. Sounds like you've probably met a couple of a,hole dog men. I get what you're saying though. Also, alot of folks have dog issues, not alot have problems with most dog hunters. If you've had these issues all over the state. I would think that some hella bad luck you got.

The dog club north of us are super nice guys. Their dogs have been on us twice in 7 years. The second time they sent me a text before they even crossed the line. I have no issues with that club. The one to our SE however is another issue. They get on us several times a year. And they have to cross ANOTHER private tract before they even get to us.

But I’ve had issues in 5 different counties.

Has hunting gotten easy ??? i guess that would be determined by your age
when you start getting old, aint nothing easy

I love the dog hunters that set em loose at your property line and then when confronted tell you they’ll only run rabbits.

I swear I can’t tell if they’re really dumb enough to think I would believe that,

A man letting his dogs run on my property is just a no good outlaw poacher just like the rest of the people that trespass

first year I was stationed in Jefferson Co I drove up on a bunch of dog hunters on the side of the road next to some USSteel permit land. I could tell they were mad before I even stopped. One of said that the guy that lived next to that land had shot their dogs. I asked how they knew he shot them. He said we turned the dogs loose and soon heard a full auto gun blasting and dogs yelping. I asked if they turned the dogs loose on his land.( they did) They were pissed and said they were going to his house and whip his ass. I told em that he had a belt fed tripod mounted 30 cal machine gun(what they heard) sitting on his front porch and not a damn one of them would make it to his house. I asked em to wait fifteen minutes to allow me to get to the other end of the county. LOL

Dog hunting is a dying sport. There isn’t enough large blocks to justify it. I don’t hate dog hunting and have had plenty of trouble with them many years ago. Had one guy threaten to kill me. The PROBLEM I had with dog hunters is every freaking one of them when confronted about their dogs crossing lines said “ don’t get mad, you never know, my dogs might run the biggest buck of your life by you “ ......... Is there not 1 dog hunter that can understand some people care nothing about killing a deer being chased by a pack of dogs. It just doesn’t interest everybody and turn them on. Some folks want to be left the hell alone and enjoy some peace and quiet on the lease they worked overtime to pay for.

You know BCLC even the Mountain men and Frontiersman before us went afield prepared, they carried food, jerked beef n such, and warm clothing, and even something for shelter, but damn, if you carry a snickers and a bottle of water or a natty lite you're be labeled a pu$$y amongst some of these hardasses 😄

LMMFAO....that’s a fact!

Older than 7 here on the first one here. 17 on the last-Antelope buck at over 750 yards
No shooting houses, no feeders. All spot and stalk or stand hunting at the edge of a field somewhere.
100 yard shot off of shooting sticks (1 and done) completely on his own with a MOA Maximum in 260 Remington.

Muh Facebook city boy post.
My fav part was the "is there not 1" like a modern day Shakespeare I tell ya.
On a serious note, I'm not so sure I would call the sport dying at this point. It has been slowly dying for years leading up to this point, Them Alpha collars have revolutionize the sport. Not only can large blocks still be leased, you can do more with less continual acreage due to the collars.

Cool pic's Erinie

So youre saying you love running dogs and should be able to hunt like you want , even if YOUR dogs go on other peoples property ruining what THEY are trying to do on their land.

And in the same breath you put down "Trophy Hunters" who see things differently and try to do things their way. And I am pretty sure that those people are running QDM clubs that you were speaking about that limited guests.

I am amazed when people act like "Trophy Hunting" and managing game is bad, but chasing deer with dogs, shooting everything you see and your dogs going on other peoples property is fine. That is some very selfish and subjective thinking there my friend.

The QDM "Trophy Hunter" type is not going to do ONE THING that adversely affects you or your hunting, but your hunting is definitely going to affect his plans of low pressure and managing what they shoot. You may need to try to see both points of view and not just look at through the lense of what YOU like.

Your post and this thread has a lot of false assumptions.
I'm okay with the opinions, as long as you don't expect others to follow your opinions.
If it is legal and you are capable, do it, and don't worry about the opinions of others.

First, you don't know what parents have or have not taught their children.
To assume all youth hunters have not hunted small game and or varmints in the 5-7 year old range would be incorrect for my children.
To assume they were not out hunting with their dad, before they started hunting, would false as well

Our daughter has never shot a BB gun, but started with a single shot 22lr and was shooting paper at 5 on up.
Erik never shot a bb gun or 22lr, he just jumped to center-fire specialty pistols at 9 years old, and was shooting out past 500 yard steel on his second day doing it.

Around 7 Kristen was shooting prairie dogs at over 100 yards with that chipmunk 22lr rifle and with my center-grip 221 Fireball XP-100. The Chipmunk still has the same scope on it.

I forgot what was the youngest age, you could hunt deer was in Kansas back in the day.
But her very first year, she shot her buck at 285 yards with a single-shot MOA Maximum pistol in 260 Remington.
She never used a rifle, but used the MOA Maximum and a center-grip 6mm-284 XP-100.
I am not going to list all of her hunting, but making a point, that some kids start young, and in a number of ways can out shoot adults from the bench and from the field.

You can have all of your ideology, ethics, and what you think is right or wrong, but that doesn't make it so.

Don't let others bind their ethics on you or your children. Don't let their limits control you.
A friend of mine said this recently: "Don’t let others limitations get confused with ethics or become your own limitations."

If it is legal and you are capable, do it, and don't worry about the opinions of others.

Sometimes I kill big game at under 40 yards with one of my handguns, and at other times I may kill one at 1,000 yards with one of my specialty pistols.
I hunt the way I want (Dependent up on that states game laws of course), depending on my mood, the amount of practice I have put in, atmospheric conditions, the terrain, etc..
My max distance limit with the very same weapon is going to be different, based on a number of factors.

Maybe we should be more supportive of other sportsmen, sportswomen, and their children, without attempting to bind our own sense of right and wrong on others.
We wonder sometimes why the tide moves against us.
Sometimes we are our own worst enemy
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Thank you sir!
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Hey Ernie, looks like she definitely shoots like a girl. The same way my daughter does.