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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Buckhammer]
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10/23/21 10:46 PM
10/23/21 10:46 PM
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dead_eye
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Easy now I’m nowhere near stupid because I don’t agree with you but you have no idea what I’m talking about I really wished I could show you so you would understand but I can’t but what I said to you about your company is basically what what you are saying to me I have no clue about your company just like you have no clue what I’m talking about you haven’t seen it. I wouldn’t put my money behind based off of your punctuation.
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: dead_eye]
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10/24/21 01:21 AM
10/24/21 01:21 AM
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Easy now I’m nowhere near stupid because I don’t agree with you but you have no idea what I’m talking about I really wished I could show you so you would understand but I can’t but what I said to you about your company is basically what what you are saying to me I have no clue about your company just like you have no clue what I’m talking about you haven’t seen it. I wouldn’t put my money behind based off of your punctuation. In reality he could probably punctuate a sentence as well as you and I’m probably as sure he can dot an “EYE” as well as you Mr.English major.
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Buckhammer]
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10/24/21 01:27 AM
10/24/21 01:27 AM
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Jakethesnake
The Flippin’ Idiot That Could Care Less
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The Flippin’ Idiot That Could Care Less
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It’s not about asking for more it’s about keeping what you had you people are delusional if you think they are striking trying to get more they are striking because things are being took. Its no use brother. Around here, it's close minded thinking. You will be tar and feathered if you don't support high gas prices and working for nothing.
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Buckhammer]
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10/24/21 02:59 AM
10/24/21 02:59 AM
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Lonster
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Let’s say I got hired on with a $30 an hour wage and my insurance is $50 a month 3 years later contract comes up and they come up with $30 a hour and $400 a month for insurance and by the way the pension plan you payed into for the last three years for retirement has been done away with and all you have is your 401k. Would you have a chapped arse or what? First, I wouldn't have a chapped arse because I don't care how much or how little you make. Second, When someone hires on with certain hourly wages, insurance, retirement, etc. which is ALL based on a CONTRACT that is subject to change then that individual hires on knowing that there is a risk of everything changing AND that all change might not be what they like. I've never worked for a union. I've never needed someone between me and my paycheck. "Unions protect worker's rights", "If it wasn't for unions we wouldn't have ____________." I would believe that if Unions didn't charge laborers $$$$ to be union members. A "union" is just someone between a laborer and an employer, someone who is threatening the employer and taking $$$$ from the laborer. Unions sound a lot like politicians to me and to be honest they are probably getting paid by both sides. Sounds like its always a win win situation for the union. Am I correct?
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Joe4majors]
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10/24/21 07:43 AM
10/24/21 07:43 AM
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2Dogs
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I love to hear stories of companies on strike where the supervisors , managers , engineers , clerks , hit the production floor and get a taste of what the folks that tote the load do. It usually doesn't work out too well, low production, tear up equipment , injuries , the list goes on. Good for them to get a reality check while walking in the working mans shoes. Other than that I don't give a hoot either way.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Ruffn]
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10/24/21 07:56 AM
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AC870
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Coal miners' "lifetime" health and retirement benefits were voided by the court. . I hadn’t read all this yet and don’t know much about this situation but this piece here is wrong. That was part of their compensation.
“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”
On the distance I like to walk to my stands: “The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Joe4majors]
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10/24/21 08:25 AM
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257wbymag
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Why does toyota build a longer lasting and tougher product than GM ford or dodge??? Yep cause there’s no union involved
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Ruffn]
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10/24/21 08:26 AM
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Have you ever worked in coal mines with the people we're talking about in Brookwood?
I have. While I agree that I wouldn’t work in an underground, non-union mine, due to the safety, a lot of what has been said above by the others is true. I’ve seen some really great men that worked in those mines. I’ve also seen some real POS. Guys that took advantage of the protection the union offered. Guys that would hide when work was to be done if it wasn’t convenient. Guys that would purposely tear up equipment so they could sit on their hind ends for the rest of their shift. Even now, during this strike, there are guys that are tearing up equipment (cameras, lights, etc…) by shooting them, just to vandalize the company’s property. I know this for a fact. Hard for me to feel sorry for a group that would allow it’s members to do that.
If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.-Mark Twain
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: ford150man]
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10/24/21 08:39 AM
10/24/21 08:39 AM
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AU338MAG
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Have you ever worked in coal mines with the people we're talking about in Brookwood?
I have. While I agree that I wouldn’t work in an underground, non-union mine, due to the safety, a lot of what has been said above by the others is true. I’ve seen some really great men that worked in those mines. I’ve also seen some real POS. Guys that took advantage of the protection the union offered. Guys that would hide when work was to be done if it wasn’t convenient. Guys that would purposely tear up equipment so they could sit on their hind ends for the rest of their shift. Even now, during this strike, there are guys that are tearing up equipment (cameras, lights, etc…) by shooting them, just to vandalize the company’s property. I know this for a fact. Hard for me to feel sorry for a group that would allow it’s members to do that. I've seen the same issues on construction projects with union workers, especially on projects with both union and non union crews. Union workers vandalizing equipment, property etc of non union crews. Anytime I hear the 'we want our fair share' argument, I tune out. Its aloadofchit. Don't like what they're offering the go greet people at Walmarks. There would not be any coal mining opportunities without those so called rich investors.
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Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: 2Dogs]
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10/24/21 08:44 AM
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I love to hear stories of companies on strike where the supervisors , managers , engineers , clerks , hit the production floor and get a taste of what the folks that tote the load do. It usually doesn't work out too well, low production, tear up equipment , injuries , the list goes on. Good for them to get a reality check while walking in the working mans shoes. Other than that I don't give a hoot either way. It’s interesting to me that those that sit on the wall side of a desk often forget about what it’s like on the door side. Even though they love to tell you that they know all about it.
Proud Army and ALNG veteran God Bless America!
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: AC870]
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10/24/21 08:55 AM
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Ruffn
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Coal miners' "lifetime" health and retirement benefits were voided by the court. . I hadn’t read all this yet and don’t know much about this situation but this piece here is wrong. That was part of their compensation. I have first hand knowledge that it is NOT wrong and I stand by my statement.
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: 257wbymag]
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10/24/21 09:10 AM
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2Dogs
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Why does toyota build a longer lasting and tougher product than GM ford or dodge??? Yep cause there’s no union involved I'll bite , don't think it's that simple The big 3's products coming out of Mexico aren't made in union plants. Japs beat US auto at their own game in all aspects of the game from engineering , management , quality control , tooling and yes , production labor. It goes all the way back to after WWII and US occupied Japan. Was talking to a friend that was a Ford dealer, he knows I'm a Toyota and Honda fan . He said when he hears Toyota or Honda he thinks of Pearl Harbor , I shot back when I hear Ford or Chevy I think Mexico.........silence .
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"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Joe4majors]
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10/24/21 09:14 AM
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257wbymag
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True but you still have a lot of don’t give a schit that goes on in the big 3 plants. The japs def know how to get more quality production and it never involves a union at any point
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Joe4majors]
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10/24/21 09:18 AM
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Big Buck Video
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When I was a kid my Dad was on strike from a Birmingham steel mill. I went with him to a meeting at the union hall. The union man was there giving a speech about how they should stand strong and not vote to accept the company offer. I left there and thought about it all the way home. We were eating supper that night and I asked my Dad if the Union rep was still getting the pittance that he was getting paid each week. My Dad who was pro union all of my life sat there for a minute. He finally responded that he had never thought about it like that. That man who was speaking was in his suit with a fancy watch driving a big car and still getting a big paycheck from the union while they told the workers to hold out. He really did not have the workers best interest at hand.
My Dad used to be against Big Business and the Rich investor too. He is 83 now and looking back he sees just what I was talking about. The multiple Union strikes that we endured were never about working conditions or worker safety. They were all about strong arming the company. He was at that Steel mill for over 20 years and in the end the Union got the shop closed because of their mandates. The company finally said it wasn't worth it and closed the mill.
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Re: Coal miners strike - Brookwood
[Re: Big Buck Video]
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10/24/21 09:22 AM
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2Dogs
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When I was a kid my Dad was on strike from a Birmingham steel mill. I went with him to a meeting at the union hall. The union man was there giving a speech about how they should stand strong and not vote to accept the company offer. I left there and thought about it all the way home. We were eating supper that night and I asked my Dad if the Union rep was still getting the pittance that he was getting paid each week. My Dad who was pro union all of my life sat there for a minute. He finally responded that he had never thought about it like that. That man who was speaking was in his suit with a fancy watch driving a big car and still getting a big paycheck from the union while they told the workers to hold out. He really did not have the workers best interest at hand.
My Dad used to be against Big Business and the Rich investor too. He is 83 now and looking back he sees just what I was talking about. The multiple Union strikes that we endured were never about working conditions or worker safety. They were all about strong arming the company. He was at that Steel mill for over 20 years and in the end the Union got the shop closed because of their mandates. The company finally said it wasn't worth it and closed the mill. Yep , Unions now are all about lining their own pockets and lining the pockets of Democrats.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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