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Re: Religion vs spirituality
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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10/23/21 01:16 PM
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That's why I dislike the vague term, spiritual. If you're life is not surrendered to Christ and your will has not been replaced by His will, then a person is lost.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
-G. K. Chesterton
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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10/23/21 02:02 PM
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I'd agree with this. The line between religion and spirituality is so blurred. I know lots of people who "believe in God". What they really mean is that they give intellectual assent that God exists but they live in such a manner that shows that they really do not. What they lack is a surrendering of their life to Christ. "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6 You're an enlightened dude and I like that about you. I agree, and for what it's worth, legally speaking that is true as well, according to Title VII. Which is fair, take the upcoming Fall Celebration/Halloween for instance.
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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only faith (trust) in Him saves. one becomes more spiritual through the sanctification process. but one is not saved.
a buddhist can be religious and spiritual. so can a muslim and a hindu. not one of the three can be saved, no matter how religious or spiritual he is, because he does not have faith Christ as his savior.
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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Pure religion and undefiled before God and The Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep himself unspotted from the world
James 1:27
You see Religion does have a place in our lives just as spirituality does
They actually go hand in hand
One keeps the other balanced that neither becomes overbearing and our witness for Christ stays intact
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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only faith (trust) in Him saves. one becomes more spiritual through the sanctification process. but one is not saved.
a buddhist can be religious and spiritual. so can a muslim and a hindu. not one of the three can be saved, no matter how religious or spiritual he is, because he does not have faith Christ as his savior. Nosir, a budist cannot be spiritual. There is one spirit and budists dont have it.
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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Maintaining Gods Commandments #1a. Relationship with Jesus as your savior #2. You are commanded to gather, that doesn't mean the organized church. Not all, but most of the organized church is not biblically sound. Most follow mans doctrine, not the bible.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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What about like a samurai? Their religion is made up entirely of spiritualism. Would that even be considered a religion or is it the components of multiple religions?
What was the predominant religion of Native Americans?
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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What about like a samurai? Their religion is made up entirely of spiritualism. Would that even be considered a religion or is it the components of multiple religions?
What was the predominant religion of Native Americans? Im not sure how a samurai believes. I would think some native Americans are worshipping the same God we are. The creator of everything. I would think God would show a native american fellow the truth if he diligently sought it out. But as far as budah goes, i figure if there was ever a man named budah, who this religion was built on, and he lived and died, he is now in hell along with every "spiritual" budhist who died believing budah was the way. Im not sure what the indians believed about Jesus. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. No man will come to the father except by him. Alot of different religions have sent alot of different people to hell. If you have been saved, you know Jesus and you have his spirit living inside you. That is the connection. If you are not saved, there is no connection. I cant tell you if you are saved but you dang well know whether you are or not. A person being saved does not necessarily mean they have a healthy spiritual life or a good relationship with the Lord, that has to be cultivated. But if you are not saved, you do not have a spiritual life or a relationship with the Lord, other than one of creator/creation, not a personal relationship. I cant understand how anyone could read the Bible and feel any way except this way. But many do. I am 100% sure i am right. Enough to risk my life and the life of my children on it, enough to base everything i do in my life on it. And it has never let me down. 100% effective. It is the only thing i have ever tried that works.
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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What about like a samurai? Their religion is made up entirely of spiritualism. Would that even be considered a religion or is it the components of multiple religions?
What was the predominant religion of Native Americans? Im not sure how a samurai believes. I would think some native Americans are worshipping the same God we are. The creator of everything. I would think God would show a native american fellow the truth if he diligently sought it out. But as far as budah goes, i figure if there was ever a man named budah, who this religion was built on, and he lived and died, he is now in hell along with every "spiritual" budhist who died believing budah was the way. Im not sure what the indians believed about Jesus. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. No man will come to the father except by him. Alot of different religions have sent alot of different people to hell. If you have been saved, you know Jesus and you have his spirit living inside you. That is the connection. If you are not saved, there is no connection. I cant tell you if you are saved but you dang well know whether you are or not. A person being saved does not necessarily mean they have a healthy spiritual life or a good relationship with the Lord, that has to be cultivated. But if you are not saved, you do not have a spiritual life or a relationship with the Lord, other than one of creator/creation, not a personal relationship. I cant understand how anyone could read the Bible and feel any way except this way. But many do. I am 100% sure i am right. Enough to risk my life and the life of my children on it, enough to base everything i do in my life on it. And it has never let me down. 100% effective. It is the only thing i have ever tried that works. A samurai was made up of Buddhism, Shintoism and something else. They kind of evolved to boshido. Although a philosophy of sorts, I guess that would be considered there "religion". Not real sure about native Americans though, according to some Christians (LDS) Jesus came back to native Americans,
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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10/23/21 08:25 PM
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spiritual with a lower case s. Holy Spirit(pal) is capitalized. new agers can be described as lower case spiritual; so can mushroom freaks. they ain't Holy Spirit-filled, though. yes, we believers are filled with the Holy Spirit. that doesn't keep someone else's human mind from believing he is spiritual or someone else - like the dalai lama - is spiritual. look up the definitions of spirit and spiritual ...
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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10/24/21 05:32 AM
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From Acts 15 Religious: 1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” Spiritual: 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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10/25/21 09:44 AM
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spiritual with a lower case s. Holy Spirit(pal) is capitalized. new agers can be described as lower case spiritual; so can mushroom freaks. they ain't Holy Spirit-filled, though. yes, we believers are filled with the Holy Spirit. that doesn't keep someone else's human mind from believing he is spiritual or someone else - like the dalai lama - is spiritual. look up the definitions of spirit and spiritual ... This. The term spirituality won't be found in scripture. Spiritual will be - but only in the context of the Holy Spirit and our souls relationship with God.. In terms of a general definition, it's a broad term that implies seeking a higher power or enlightenment and can mean many different things. A LOT of people are spiritual, but don't have a clue as to what that means or what they are even looking for. As said before - being HOLY SPIRIT filled is another completely different definition. If we are going to classify and define things about the bible, we need to use the bible to do the defining. Spirituality is a worldly term in general but being spiritual in nature can be found in scripture, but mainly as it relates to our relationship with God.
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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10/25/21 11:21 AM
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oh yeah: what about demon spirits possessing a person? that is, indeed, spiritual, of a kind.
again, the Holy Spirit is a whole 'nother Thing. only one Spirit is holy: His ... I'm not sure I see what good can come from this discussion. The question seems to be "straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel".  I agree with your point. Mark 5 tells us there was a man so possessed with evil spirits that he was called Legion. "Evil spirits" indicate spirituality. The beautiful message from the story of Legion is that not even a legion of evil spirits can stop us from coming to our Lord and worshipping Him.
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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A lot of people are spiritual, they believe in a higher power or being. The 12 steps in AA lead you to a higher power, Allah and Muhammad, Hinduism, theism (just a belief in some form of god but not actually God). This is a topic I could really get into, but bore a lot of people quickly.
You can have a religion that believes in God and the Trinity, yet it still does not push a relationship with our father. (Catholics). I'm not slamming Catholics, they just don't teach a relationship in Catechism. There are many pentecostal preachers that are on TV that have vast audiences and huge megachurches that do not push a relationship with God and Jesus.
Catholics and some other christian religions teach a religious doctrine, they teach a belief, they teach a law, they teach things you have to do to be loved by the Father or to get to heaven.
As Jesus said, "He looks at the heart." It's not a religion, it's more like a friendship, but knowing he is I Am.
“If you do not conquer self, you will be conquered by self.” Napoleon Hill
The most difficult thing to understand during conversation is silence. Thoreau
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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10/26/21 07:21 AM
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A lot of people are spiritual, they believe in a higher power or being. The 12 steps in AA lead you to a higher power, Allah and Muhammad, Hinduism, theism (just a belief in some form of god but not actually God). This is a topic I could really get into, but bore a lot of people quickly.
You can have a religion that believes in God and the Trinity, yet it still does not push a relationship with our father. (Catholics). I'm not slamming Catholics, they just don't teach a relationship in Catechism. There are many pentecostal preachers that are on TV that have vast audiences and huge megachurches that do not push a relationship with God and Jesus.
Catholics and some other christian religions teach a religious doctrine, they teach a belief, they teach a law, they teach things you have to do to be loved by the Father or to get to heaven.
As Jesus said, "He looks at the heart." It's not a religion, it's more like a friendship, but knowing he is I Am.
Lots of truth here and it may upset some, but what you say is true. Essential doctrine DOES matter.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
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Re: Religion vs spirituality
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And here’s a “fly in the ointment”….how many times in our state do you hear folks tell you about their church name, their pastors name or some such things without ever and most likely never mentioning with the same excited enthusiasm the Name above every name the Lord Jesus Christ? You have to wonder is about a relationship that is personal with the Father through the Son Jesus Christ or merely “church community” of popularity. Just a thought.
Sow righteousness for yourselves and reap faithful love;
break up your unplowed ground. It is time to seek the Lord until He comes and sends righteousness on you like the rain. - Hosea 10:12
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