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Re: What determines recoil [Re: top cat] #3352201
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Originally Posted by top cat
A 3 1/2" 12g 870 using extended range with 2oz of #5's will kick more than .338 win mag

A 3 1/2" out of my 835 will flat do damage to a mans shoulder

Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352222
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I would like to add body type and weight of the person affects the felt recoil also. A 250 pound man doesn't get knocked around like a 100 pound woman.


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352248
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Physics determines recoil - a bunch of things determine felt/perceived recoil.


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: wmd] #3352253
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Originally Posted by wmd
Physics determines recoil - a bunch of things determine felt/perceived recoil.

THIS.


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: wmd] #3352313
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Originally Posted by wmd
Physics determines recoil - a bunch of things determine felt/perceived recoil.


This. Newton's 3rd law. But it doesn't end there. It ends at your shoulder. Or your hand. Think pistols. A Ruger Blackhawk. The Bisley grip feels different in recoil compared to the standard shape. Even the grips applied (thin rubber factory vs larger wood) can reduce noticed recoil. The weight of the gun itself can absorb a lot. Those 2 things make a big difference in FELT recoil vs the forces actually exerted.


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Originally Posted by modoc_333
Originally Posted by wmd
Physics determines recoil - a bunch of things determine felt/perceived recoil.


This. Newton's 3rd law. But it doesn't end there. It ends at your shoulder. Or your hand. Think pistols. A Ruger Blackhawk. The Bisley grip feels different in recoil compared to the standard shape. Even the grips applied (thin rubber factory vs larger wood) can reduce noticed recoil. The weight of the gun itself can absorb a lot. Those 2 things make a big difference in FELT recoil vs the forces actually exerted.


Newton's 3rd Law: Bullet go dat way, shoulder go de udda way.

And let's not forget #2: bigga bullet X mo powda = dat mo-fo kicks hard!


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352327
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So a question for the reloaders: you have two shells you load with the same amount of the same powder, will the one with the larger or smaller bullet kick more? Same model gun. Same powder, same gun, different size lead; which kicks harder?

Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352334
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Bigger lead


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352336
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Yep.....all other things being the same, the one with the heavier bullet kicks harder than the one with the lighter bullet.


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: BentBarrel] #3352342
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Originally Posted by jb20
Bigger lead

Originally Posted by BentBarrel
Yep.....all other things being the same, the one with the heavier bullet kicks harder than the one with the lighter bullet.

Thank you. More powder can make a difference, better gun can make a difference but the resistance of the projectile is the key, all other things being equal. In my head i thought the energy from the powder having to escape a smaller hole would cause more backward pressure, so the smaller bullet would kick more. I was wrong.

Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352348
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What recoil?

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Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352355
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Yowzaaa .... BowtechDan for the win 👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼

Must be Victoria Secret’s new Comfortech stock. Wouldn’t mind mounting one of those on my gun.


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352358
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Nothing like the ladies in the prone position wearing tight fittin' jeans. Or, well......yoga pants.......or a bikini. grin

Thank you thumbup BowtechDan

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Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352382
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Dan is just showing what the prone position will do for ya with recoil 👍


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352385
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I think slower burning powders “push” more than “punch”.


3 1/2 inch turkey loads hurt more than any rifle I’ve eve shot.

Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352393
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https://youtu.be/eFRjl1EGphU
So of y'all may know this guy but here is a good example of recoil

Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352442
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My 835 was finally made into a defense shotgun with a big ole long tube full of 2-3/4" buckshot - whole bunch of em.

My ole sem mag was retired. She kilt 200 deers. All of them legal.

My new lady is a 25-06. She send tiny little copper or gilding metal pills screaming downrange at almost 4k. No recoil - see them hit through the scope. Do that with sem mag - lol.

6.5 grendel in ar - multiple follow up shots as needed - see them hit.

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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Originally Posted by gman
The target.

I know thats right. A little bit of adrenaline is the best recoil reduction device


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352457
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
So a question for the reloaders: you have two shells you load with the same amount of the same powder, will the one with the larger or smaller bullet kick more? Same model gun. Same powder, same gun, different size lead; which kicks harder?

More lead will kick more.


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Re: What determines recoil [Re: jwalker77] #3352468
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Y'alls welcome!

Similar concept I would imagine, but I remember my first day of hydraulic system training. The instructor asked us "what builds up pressure in a hydraulic system?" Of course we all said the pump. He said "no, it's resistance to flow".


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