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Re: Mineral stumps (not clorox)
[Re: UA Hunter]
#3208595
09/02/20 07:49 PM
09/02/20 07:49 PM
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Shelby County
SouthernRoots
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Ive found a good many natural mineral stumps in a couple areas around beaver dams as well. One particular spot has a ridge full of Cherry trees. Every tree the beavers cut down during the growing season sprout from the stump left behind and the deer hit them really hard.
IG - @_teamsouternroots_
Legacy: Planting the seeds and knowing you will never see the fruits.
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Re: Mineral stumps (not clorox)
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#3208839
09/02/20 11:58 PM
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Awbarn, AL
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Dances With Weeds
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Well I be damn.....who;d of thunk it.......  A plant recycling it nutrients back into soil high in organic matter producing highly desirable forage for the deer...... If only we could do it in a bigger area than a stump...... 
Last edited by CNC; 09/02/20 11:59 PM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Mineral stumps (not clorox)
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09/03/20 08:22 AM
09/03/20 08:22 AM
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Autaugaville
trailertrash
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If you remove undesirable trees and then allow them to grow back...you will be removing them again. Can you call them undesirable if you plan on using them ?? hmmmmm...lol
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Re: Mineral stumps (not clorox)
[Re: trailertrash]
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09/03/20 09:43 AM
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Awbarn, AL
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Dances With Weeds
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If you remove undesirable trees and then allow them to grow back...you will be removing them again. Can you call them undesirable if you plan on using them ?? hmmmmm...lol I'd say don't call then undesirable and don't call them weeds......Call it all "Nature" and then go mold into the shape you desire that uses the basic design she has given you.....Use her general blue print and priciples and don't start trying to recreate the wheel
Last edited by CNC; 09/03/20 09:44 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Mineral stumps (not clorox)
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09/03/20 11:14 AM
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are specific species of trees better than others? I remember years ago we cut down a sweetgum that was about 5-6" in diameter in a foodplot. I remember the following year when it sprouted back that the deer hammered it. That property was lacking in forage anyway so I wrote it off as they were starving (and prob were). this reminded me of that stump lol
"Hell with them fellows, buzzard got to eat same as a worm"
Josey Wales
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Re: Mineral stumps (not clorox)
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09/03/20 03:33 PM
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Baldwin County
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OP
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Good info Coosa1. I definitely enjoy listening to the deer lab guys. They are informative without being over the top scientific.
Never thought about the beaver thing SR, but that makes sense and will be something I'll be looking for when scouting.
CNC, I'm assuming you're referencing the dead and decomposing material from spraying or mowing plots. This is a different angle as the tree is still alive and trying to replace the "lost" portion. The leaves of that particular tree are the beneficiary. The easiest way to do it in an area bigger than a stump is to add more stumps.
tt, after the initial removal, I'm hopeful the deer do their job and keep it from fully regrowing until it actually dies. Worst case scenario, if it grows too high for their benefit, I'll cut it again.
CNC, if a tree doesn't have timber value, provide mass/browse, or otherwise perform a task for the wildlife or me, I'd call it undesirable. I may be wrong, but I assume things like oxygen production, erosion control, etc. can be performed by a desirable tree just as well. I'm not advocating clear cutting your property to provide mineral stumps, but if you're going to get rid of a tree for other purposes, be aware of the potential benefits of mineral stumps. If someone is going to cut firewood, perhaps a treestand placed nearby could pay off or if someone is debating between hinge cutting, hack and squirt, cut and treat or conventional removal, this info could factor in. Also, not recreating the wheel as trees have been being removed by man or nature forever, just pointing out a possibly overlooked benefit.
Buzzard, from what I've read/heard so far it's not species dependent. I believe a gum was mentioned as a good candidate.
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Re: Mineral stumps (not clorox)
[Re: UA Hunter]
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09/03/20 11:53 PM
09/03/20 11:53 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
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Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
Joined: Jun 2012
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Awbarn, AL
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Good info Coosa1. I definitely enjoy listening to the deer lab guys. They are informative without being over the top scientific.
Never thought about the beaver thing SR, but that makes sense and will be something I'll be looking for when scouting.
CNC, I'm assuming you're referencing the dead and decomposing material from spraying or mowing plots. This is a different angle as the tree is still alive and trying to replace the "lost" portion. The leaves of that particular tree are the beneficiary. The easiest way to do it in an area bigger than a stump is to add more stumps.
tt, after the initial removal, I'm hopeful the deer do their job and keep it from fully regrowing until it actually dies. Worst case scenario, if it grows too high for their benefit, I'll cut it again.
CNC, if a tree doesn't have timber value, provide mass/browse, or otherwise perform a task for the wildlife or me, I'd call it undesirable. I may be wrong, but I assume things like oxygen production, erosion control, etc. can be performed by a desirable tree just as well. I'm not advocating clear cutting your property to provide mineral stumps, but if you're going to get rid of a tree for other purposes, be aware of the potential benefits of mineral stumps. If someone is going to cut firewood, perhaps a treestand placed nearby could pay off or if someone is debating between hinge cutting, hack and squirt, cut and treat or conventional removal, this info could factor in. Also, not recreating the wheel as trees have been being removed by man or nature forever, just pointing out a possibly overlooked benefit.
Buzzard, from what I've read/heard so far it's not species dependent. I believe a gum was mentioned as a good candidate.
Yeah I'm with you on doing habitat improvements and such.....I'm constantly messing with something too. The idea I was talking about is more generalized. Look at nature with an open mind and see the basic blueprint.....sorts like how the blueprint for every house is very similar but each house may have the unique variables be different....I may use sheet rock and you use OSB.....but both have the same structural design that includes walls....Now you would think that sounds a little silly to use walls as example as if someone could build a house so screwed up that they forgot walls..... However...take a look at our traditional food plot prep and then look over at nature......then back to you field.....then back....and see what all is missing.....Well, theres no roof on it...I see that.....theres no insulation nature's OM......theres no electrical wiring...like m. fungi......the plumbing is all screwed up......and so on...Theres not even anybody living in this house like natures microbes!!!.....Reckon why? I'll go back and check out the stump thing better....I must have misunderstood.....Are you talking about them feeding on the stump sprouts that shoot back? The name for that type of method is coppice. Deer like maples, tupelo, oak, ....???? Dang, I forget now but there's a couple more preferred
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Mineral stumps (not clorox)
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09/04/20 03:30 PM
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Florida
jacannon
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Florida
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So you cut them before the green up in the spring I assume.
Grandma said...Always keep a gun close at hand, you just never know when you might run across some varmint that needs killing...
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