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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: OlAlabama]
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12/07/11 06:33 PM
12/07/11 06:33 PM
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FurFlyin
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My question is, how many man hours and dollars have been wasted staking out this place that we don't even hunt waiting for us to come hunt it...and how many poachers and criminals have not been caught while they've been wasting their time waiting on us? They would have no way of knowing that anyone was hunting there at any given time unless they were watching it or if they just happened to drop in randomly. Pretty sad really that that's how the game wardens choose to spend their time, chasing around piles of corn.
Can't speak for all GW's, but I for one am glad for and appreciate them. In my experiance they are efficient, helpful, and even creative in their work. If y'all are not huntin over bait, you ain't got a thing to worry about. If you are, and you get caught, well then, you got a big problem. +1
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: 49er]
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12/07/11 06:42 PM
12/07/11 06:42 PM
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Guntersville, AL
IDOT
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I will always support banning hunting over corn in Alabama. I will also support banning Florida people from hunting in Alabama. Do you think we could get that passed next year? Why just corn? Why not wheat or other grain, salt or any other feed whatsoever that has been so deposited, placed, distributed or scattered as to constitute for such birds or animals a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where such hunter or hunters are attempting to kill or take them ??? Do you oppose hunting over food plots that were planted as a lure, attraction or enticement for hunting? Do you oppose hunting over salt, even if it is white or has Trophy Rock on the label? Do you oppose the DCNR giving people permission to break this law to hunt hogs, deer or coyotes if you sign an agreement on their permit not to break this law while the DCNR is charged with the duty of enforcing this law? Compare the language of the law to the AG Opinion and tell me if you think our legislature meant for "green patches" planted solely to attract game for hunting to be legal, or for white salt or Trophy Rock salt blocks to be legal to use as an attractant for hunting: Law that was written and passed by our Legislauture in 1951 and ammended in 1991: Section 9-11-244
Taking, etc., of protected birds or animals by means of bait.
No person at any time shall take, catch, kill or attempt to take, catch or kill any bird or animal protected by law or regulation of the State of Alabama by means, aid or use, directly or indirectly, of any bait such as shelled, shucked or unshucked corn or of wheat or other grain, salt or any other feed whatsoever that has been so deposited, placed, distributed or scattered as to constitute for such birds or animals a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where such hunter or hunters are attempting to kill or take them; provided, that such birds or animals may be taken under properly shocked corn and standing crops of corn, wheat or other grain or feed and grains scattered solely as a result of normal agricultural harvesting and provided further, migratory birds may be hunted under the most recent provisions established by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or regulations promulgated by the Commissioner of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources within the limits of the federal regulations.
(Acts 1951, No. 1001, p. 1672, §1; Acts 1991, No. 91-591, p. 1093, §1.)
Link to the opinion written by an assistant to the AG in 1983: AG Opinion written by staff member, 1983 Good grief
If you’re a common sense person, you probably don’t feel you have a home in this world right now. If you’re a Christian, you know you were never meant to.
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hallb]
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12/07/11 07:18 PM
12/07/11 07:18 PM
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BamaProud
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I'm not sure what your upset about? An officer doing his job? I suppose he could just nap in his truck all day instead.
Save the Little ones for the little ones
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hallb]
#235125
12/07/11 07:23 PM
12/07/11 07:23 PM
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AL
hunterbuck
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Actually, what I'm really bitching about is that he's having to enforce a stupid Alabama law about no baiting...it's not his fault, I understand that.
Rebelman - what does being from Florida have to do with it...besides the fact that we can bait down here and it doesn't make any difference in how easy or not easy it is to kill deer? If it doesn't make any difference in how easy or not easy it is to kill deer, why do you have such a strong opinion that "no baiting" is a "stupid Alabama law"? Why do all the Florida hunters spend a fortune on corn every year if it doesn't draw deer? Why are you putting a camera out over corn instead of putting a camera out over a food plot if it doesn't help draw deer? And last but not least, why do you choose to hunt a state with such a "stupid law" when you live in a state that doesn't have such a law?
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: IDOT]
#235139
12/07/11 07:32 PM
12/07/11 07:32 PM
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Warrior River Country
49er
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I will always support banning hunting over corn in Alabama. I will also support banning Florida people from hunting in Alabama. Do you think we could get that passed next year? Why just corn? Why not wheat or other grain, salt or any other feed whatsoever that has been so deposited, placed, distributed or scattered as to constitute for such birds or animals a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where such hunter or hunters are attempting to kill or take them ??? Do you oppose hunting over food plots that were planted as a lure, attraction or enticement for hunting? Do you oppose hunting over salt, even if it is white or has Trophy Rock on the label? Do you oppose the DCNR giving people permission to break this law to hunt hogs, deer or coyotes if you sign an agreement on their permit not to break this law while the DCNR is charged with the duty of enforcing this law? Compare the language of the law to the AG Opinion and tell me if you think our legislature meant for "green patches" planted solely to attract game for hunting to be legal, or for white salt or Trophy Rock salt blocks to be legal to use as an attractant for hunting: Law that was written and passed by our Legislauture in 1951 and ammended in 1991: Section 9-11-244
Taking, etc., of protected birds or animals by means of bait.
No person at any time shall take, catch, kill or attempt to take, catch or kill any bird or animal protected by law or regulation of the State of Alabama by means, aid or use, directly or indirectly, of any bait such as shelled, shucked or unshucked corn or of wheat or other grain, salt or any other feed whatsoever that has been so deposited, placed, distributed or scattered as to constitute for such birds or animals a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where such hunter or hunters are attempting to kill or take them; provided, that such birds or animals may be taken under properly shocked corn and standing crops of corn, wheat or other grain or feed and grains scattered solely as a result of normal agricultural harvesting and provided further, migratory birds may be hunted under the most recent provisions established by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or regulations promulgated by the Commissioner of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources within the limits of the federal regulations.
(Acts 1951, No. 1001, p. 1672, §1; Acts 1991, No. 91-591, p. 1093, §1.)
Link to the opinion written by an assistant to the AG in 1983: AG Opinion written by staff member, 1983 Good grief This is our law, our politics and our bureaucrats. You're from Florida. You don't get a vote. 
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hallb]
#235141
12/07/11 07:35 PM
12/07/11 07:35 PM
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leroy - you couldn't afford a hunting license if they banned out of state folks from hunting in Alabama. Plus, I was born and raised and lived in Birmingham for 30 years of my life, so I think I have plenty of right to hunt in YOUR state. LOL...you honestly think that? What's a non-resident license, $275/yr? Let's say there are 200,000 licensed hunters in Alabama, of which 40,000 (20%) are non-resident. I have no idea of the validity of these numbers, but I feel fairly certain that I'm way overstating the percentage of non-resident licenses. I'm also probably way understating the total number of resident licensees. Let's say Alabama outlawed non-residents completely. That's a loss of $11 million dollars a year. Pretty hefty, right? OK...that money's gotta be made up somewhere, so let's divide it up amongst the 160,000 resident hunters. $11,000,000/160,000 = $68.75 more per hunter...still under $100 for a resident license. I would imagine that the nice drop in lease prices due to less competition throughout the state would more than make up for that $68.75 additional per hunter per year. I'll take that trade every day. Where do we sign the petition?
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hallb]
#235144
12/07/11 07:36 PM
12/07/11 07:36 PM
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Madison, AL
wmd
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wmd - I did just that and I found some contact info of yours in the classified section and used that instead of mine, hope you don't mind...although I'm not sure why you are insinuating that I would have problems with the game warden when I am doing nothing illegal. Thanks man! When he calls I will be sure to tell him that I bet he is not slick enough to catch any of the folks on that Marengo county property shooting deer at night over corn, shooting turkeys during deer season, shooting multiple bucks a day, duck hunting with lead shot, or carrying multiple copies of hunting license/kill sheets. While we are making stuff up, may as well go all out - right?
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" -
D.L. Cheney and R.M. Seyfarth
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hallb]
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12/07/11 07:41 PM
12/07/11 07:41 PM
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Jemison, AL
kendall
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to the original poster, you had a camera, a lock-on and a pile of corn, it sounds like you are mad that the game warden found your spot. If you weren't planning to hunt it, you wouldn't have a lock-on there. I hope he catches you and your buddies. If you think our laws are so stupid, stay in Florida.
kendall
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hunterbuck]
#235166
12/07/11 08:00 PM
12/07/11 08:00 PM
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Posts: 10,997
Warrior River Country
49er
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leroy - you couldn't afford a hunting license if they banned out of state folks from hunting in Alabama. Plus, I was born and raised and lived in Birmingham for 30 years of my life, so I think I have plenty of right to hunt in YOUR state. LOL...you honestly think that? What's a non-resident license, $275/yr? Let's say there are 200,000 licensed hunters in Alabama, of which 40,000 (20%) are non-resident. I have no idea of the validity of these numbers, but I feel fairly certain that I'm way overstating the percentage of non-resident licenses. I'm also probably way understating the total number of resident licensees. Let's say Alabama outlawed non-residents completely. That's a loss of $11 million dollars a year. Pretty hefty, right? OK...that money's gotta be made up somewhere, so let's divide it up amongst the 160,000 resident hunters. $11,000,000/160,000 = $68.75 more per hunter...still under $100 for a resident license. I would imagine that the nice drop in lease prices due to less competition throughout the state would more than make up for that $68.75 additional per hunter per year. I'll take that trade every day. Where do we sign the petition? You might want to rethink your logic if you read the DCNR Annual Reports. Link to 2010 Annual Report Federal funding amounted to 40% of our total annual receipts at the DCNR in 2010. Hunting/Fishing licenses and permits amounted to only 13%. I doubt if we would continue to receive federal funding if we didn't allow people from other states to hunt and fish here. Also interesting: ... The most recent National Survey of Fishing, Hunting and
Wildlife Associated Recreation taken during 2006 indicated 397,000 people (licensed and
unlicensed) hunted in Alabama. Of the 397,000 hunters, 256,000 were licensed for that year.
Comparison of those figures indicates that hunters who are not required to buy licenses
contribute significantly to the overall hunting effort and harvest of game animals in this state.
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hallb]
#235173
12/07/11 08:14 PM
12/07/11 08:14 PM
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colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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49er spot on, out of staters is where AL as of late has lost the most revenue
the OP kinda sounds fishy to me
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hawgwild]
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12/07/11 08:48 PM
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hallb
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Wow...didn't know there was so much anger toward us Floridians. How do you think we feel when all you rednecks come and trash our sandy white beaches and make the cost of my beer and food and property go up b/c of all the tourism.  I grew up hunting in Alabama and that's where I choose to hunt today. I don't even hunt in Florida unless a friend invites me. I think it's no secret the quality of deer are better. Truth is I was just trying to share a story about how I got a game warden on camera...didn't know I was going to bunch up so many panties of those who like to tell everyone else how they should handle their business. I really don't care that much one way or the other about baiting, I just thinks it's a heavy mis-use of resources when there's many other things for a game warden to be focused on when there's so few of them out there. Anyways, I'll be sure to post some pictures of the big bucks I'm gonna kill tonight with corn hanging out of their mouth.
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hallb]
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12/07/11 09:16 PM
12/07/11 09:16 PM
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hunterbuck
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How do you think we feel when all you rednecks come and trash our sandy white beaches and make the cost of my beer and food and property go up b/c of all the tourism. Maybe some do trash the beaches. But, I bet they don't bitch about the laws not being the way they want them to be while doing it. Truth is I was just trying to share a story about how I got a game warden on camera...didn't know I was going to bunch up so many panties of those who like to tell everyone else how they should handle their business. You asked for opinions on how to handle a situation. You got opinions on how to handle said situation. If you don't want to hear everyone tell you how you should handle your business, you probably shouldn't ask for their opinion. I really don't care that much one way or the other about baiting, I just thinks it's a heavy mis-use of resources when there's many other things for a game warden to be focused on when there's so few of them out there. A game warden found some corn out during deer season. Hunting over corn is illegal. He had no way knowing at that point that no one is/was hunting over it. Sounds like he's doing his job perfectly to me.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hallb]
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12/07/11 09:41 PM
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learned real early... if you don't want EVERYBODY'S opinion, do NOT post it on a public forum... like this one.
I've read all of the posts on this thread and dont care either way... corn or no corn???? Right now, where I hunt baiting is illegal, maybe that will change, maybe not. If it were legal I may hunt some baited spots a time or two, but I am thinking that I already haul too much chit into the woods that I have to cary... why would I want to add to what I already have to keep up with??? I shure as hell wouldnt haul corn out and leave it for someone else to benefit from it...
ANYWAY, morale of the story; if you dont want everybodys opinion, dont post.
(don't mind me... I quit smoking today and ain't liking it too much)
Last edited by mrfuzz; 12/07/11 09:43 PM.
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Re: a pile of corn, a camera and a game warden
[Re: hallb]
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12/07/11 09:50 PM
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Wow...so much resentment to Florida Hunters...I hope most on this forum don't feel the same way!
I for one pay plenty of Alabama Income taxes each year.
I don't hunt over corn or bait. I have never spent a penny on corn and because some do don't mean everybody does because of the tag on their truck. There is plenty of Alabama tagged trucks with kennels in the back of their pickup beds. And I have never put out bait to get deer pictures and when I do get to hunt I prefer not to listen to crows all morning long. And the I would bet the average guy coming from Florida to hunt is not so wealthy that he is driving up the price of lease land. One more thing......
I am also against the State of Florida from charging you Alabama folks $275 for a out of state salt water fishing license.
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