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Loaded my first shell... #3097426 04/12/20 04:28 PM 04/12/20 04:28 PM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman C CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...)
CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...) C Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman	I just put together my first shotgun shell using Hals Big 20xl load. It loaded and fired like it should and threw a good pattern. Now for a few questions.... Those of you that use this load, do you trim the hull? Is there a certain rpm that causes the roll crimper to perform better? How important is the roll crimp concerning pattern consistency from shot to shot? Should the shot and buffer be completely below the top, even with, or above the top of wad? Have you seen a difference in performance with cork or felt? What is your method to ensure an even a "pretty" roll crimp? Thanks for the help! "In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097461 04/12/20 04:57 PM 04/12/20 04:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,107 Sylacauga, AL poorcountrypreacher Booner
poorcountrypreacher Booner Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,107 Sylacauga, AL	Originally Posted by CKyleC I just put together my first shotgun shell using Hals Big 20xl load. It loaded and fired like it should and threw a good pattern. Now for a few questions.... Those of you that use this load, do you trim the hull? If you use a 3" hull and one of the red seals, you don't trim it. If you don't use the seal, you will need to trim 1/4". Is there a certain rpm that causes the roll crimper to perform better? I think the slower, the better. How important is the roll crimp concerning pattern consistency from shot to shot? Not very. Should the shot and buffer be completely below the top, even with, or above the top of wad? I like it even. Have you seen a difference in performance with cork or felt? Dangerous sounding question. They are not interchangeable. You gotta follow the recipe, whichever it says. What is your method to ensure an even a "pretty" roll crimp? I use a stop on the drill press to take the variables out of it. Good luck! Thanks for the help! All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097464 04/12/20 05:00 PM 04/12/20 05:00 PM
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CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...) C Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman	Thanks fr the help!! Does changing from cork to felt, or vice versa, change pressures? "In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097666 04/12/20 07:28 PM 04/12/20 07:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,107 Sylacauga, AL poorcountrypreacher Booner
poorcountrypreacher Booner Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,107 Sylacauga, AL	Originally Posted by CKyleC Thanks fr the help!! Does changing from cork to felt, or vice versa, change pressures? Yes, it can. I've read of instances where it changed it a significant amount. It's probably not gonna damage anything because there is a safety factor with tested loads, and if you got it from Hal it's been tested. But there is no reason to shoot an over pressure load when you can do it right. Just follow the recipe and you will be ok. I like pretty crimps, but the appearance doesn't affect how it shoots. All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097673 04/12/20 07:30 PM 04/12/20 07:30 PM
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CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...) C Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman	Ok. Thanks. Hal's recipe says I can use felt instead of cork. When I ordered supplies everyone was out of cork "In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097689 04/12/20 07:49 PM 04/12/20 07:49 PM
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Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097704 04/12/20 08:10 PM 04/12/20 08:10 PM
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CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...) C Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman	Read it multiple times. I'm using the same size felt as cork.... 1/8 and 1/4 "In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097709 04/12/20 08:15 PM 04/12/20 08:15 PM
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CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...) C Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman	Just read it again to make sure. Specifically says if out of stock, use felt instead "In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097720 04/12/20 08:24 PM 04/12/20 08:24 PM
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257wbymag Boo Boo Head Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama	I use cork and felt in mine. Both 1/8” pieces. Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097742 04/12/20 08:38 PM 04/12/20 08:38 PM
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lectrode 10 point Joined: May 2013 Posts: 3,043 Chelsea	Both in mine Also You haven't been blocked until you've been flock blocked!!!

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097773 04/12/20 09:12 PM 04/12/20 09:12 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 12,870 Montgomery / Luverne crenshawco Booner
crenshawco Booner Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 12,870 Montgomery / Luverne	Big 20xl load calls for both. If Hal said it was fine to substitute, then I wouldn't worry about it

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097886 04/13/20 03:39 AM 04/13/20 03:39 AM
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johnmb 4 point J Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 205 lake view, al	I had the same issue when I got the data from him. Per Hal, It is OK. I’ve shot it both ways now that I’ve got cork and there is no difference in pattern density. You’re good to go substituting felt for the piece of cork. Just make sure you use the felt he told you to.

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3097912 04/13/20 05:46 AM 04/13/20 05:46 AM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman C CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...)
CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...) C Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman	Thanks guys. Now to get that roll crimp looking like I want it..... Oh yeah, and the shot trap finished up Last edited by CKyleC; 04/13/20 05:47 AM. "In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3099043 04/14/20 12:30 PM 04/14/20 12:30 PM
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High_Voltage 4 point Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 577 Andalusia	I ended up trimming my hulls a bit to get a pretty crimp and leave about a 1/4” hull over shot card. If u have to much hull it will “smash” some. Ihavent noticed any difference in patterns though on ugly vs pretty crimps

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3099155 04/14/20 03:42 PM 04/14/20 03:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,005 Covington County Squeaky 12 point
Squeaky 12 point Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,005 Covington County	If you want a pretty roll crimp trim your hulls and use a GAPE roll crimp. GAPE makes some fine hand loading tools that have been worth every penny I’ve spent on them. Last edited by Squeaky; 04/14/20 03:44 PM. "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes to us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3099204 04/14/20 04:39 PM 04/14/20 04:39 PM
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Coosa1 SOA Professional Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 4,589 Coosa County, AL	Dang Squeaky that is purdy

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3099284 04/14/20 06:02 PM 04/14/20 06:02 PM
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sj22 14 point Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 7,919	This is the 1 5/8 ounce load and it’s a BPI crimping tool and it does well, now the 410 loads I still have to work on getting them to look that good. The one on the right mine and the other is an APEX and mine looks just as good

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3099326 04/14/20 06:42 PM 04/14/20 06:42 PM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman C CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...)
CKyleC OP (Can't Keep It Up...) C Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,915 Cullman	Y'all are shaming me with the crimp pics "In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247

Re: Loaded my first shell... [Re: CKyleC] #3099480 04/14/20 09:19 PM 04/14/20 09:19 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,671 leeds,al G geeb1 10 point
geeb1 10 point G Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,671 leeds,al	Originally Posted by CKyleC Y'all are shaming me with the crimp pics I load the 20 gauge shells, look awesome, my 12 look like a rat chewed them

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