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Re: New gardeners
[Re: Rmart30]
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04/12/20 05:00 PM
04/12/20 05:00 PM
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USA
marshmud991
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Wanted to ask for help. I have a backyard garden and wanted to ask what is the best way to control grass and weeds from growing in it. The area I plant was originally part of my yard with grass growing in it. This area has been planted to about 10 years and tilled every year. I have added topsoil over the years and I have limed and put out fertilizer each year. I spray glyphosate at least a month or so before planting and I spray again a few days before tilling the soil. I plant and it seems like everything is dead but as soon as the first rain hits it looks like I am better growing sod than a garden. In a few weeks it is solid grass and green growth. Is there any way to avoid this? Treflan is a good preemerge, cant use it on corn though. is that all it cant be used on? Im interested in planting watermelon and cantaloupe. It’s not labeled for cucurbits. Pendumethylin(Prowl) is labeled for them and that’s what I use on the watermelon and cantaloupe. It’s not recommended for cucumber so I don’t use it on that. I also use prowl on the conventional sweet corn.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: FurFlyin]
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04/12/20 05:02 PM
04/12/20 05:02 PM
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Posts: 9,072
USA
marshmud991
14 point
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I use a balanced fertilizer preplant. Trip 13,16,or 19 whichever the co-op has. Then I use a soluable 20-20-20 thru the injector system.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: Rmart30]
#3097535
04/12/20 05:52 PM
04/12/20 05:52 PM
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Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 22,262
blount county alabama
jwalker77
Pumpkin
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blount county alabama
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Wanted to ask for help. I have a backyard garden and wanted to ask what is the best way to control grass and weeds from growing in it. The area I plant was originally part of my yard with grass growing in it. This area has been planted to about 10 years and tilled every year. I have added topsoil over the years and I have limed and put out fertilizer each year. I spray glyphosate at least a month or so before planting and I spray again a few days before tilling the soil. I plant and it seems like everything is dead but as soon as the first rain hits it looks like I am better growing sod than a garden. In a few weeks it is solid grass and green growth. Is there any way to avoid this? Treflan is a good preemerge, cant use it on corn though. is that all it cant be used on? Im interested in planting watermelon and cantaloupe. No good for that. Sonalan or curbit for watermelons and canteloupes. They need a rain within about 3days to activate. I use sonalan. It does a really good job if you get the rain on it. Dramatically decreases the grass and weeds
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: mv67]
#3097618
04/12/20 06:50 PM
04/12/20 06:50 PM
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Posts: 39,456
Marshall County
FurFlyin
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Freak of Nature
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Marshall County
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Wanted to ask for help. I have a backyard garden and wanted to ask what is the best way to control grass and weeds from growing in it. The area I plant was originally part of my yard with grass growing in it. This area has been planted to about 10 years and tilled every year. I have added topsoil over the years and I have limed and put out fertilizer each year. I spray glyphosate at least a month or so before planting and I spray again a few days before tilling the soil. I plant and it seems like everything is dead but as soon as the first rain hits it looks like I am better growing sod than a garden. In a few weeks it is solid grass and green growth. Is there any way to avoid this? Is it bermuda grass?
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: jwalker77]
#3097636
04/12/20 07:00 PM
04/12/20 07:00 PM
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Posts: 4,625
Alabama
Rmart30
10 point
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Alabama
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Rmart30, I dont know where you are but I have some prowl and im getting another jug of sonalan if you need a little. Both are pretty expensive. Ive never used the prowl for watermelons or canteloupes but im sure if marshmud says its ok it probably is. You can google the lables. Watermelons and canteloupes are not on the sonalan lable but ice been using it for several years. Appreciate it. Im in north Jefferson. Id be planting maybe a 30x50 spot.
Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching - even when doing the wrong thing is legal. Aldo Leopold .. (except when it comes to trailer tags)
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: Rmart30]
#3097741
04/12/20 08:37 PM
04/12/20 08:37 PM
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Posts: 22,262
blount county alabama
jwalker77
Pumpkin
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Pumpkin
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 22,262
blount county alabama
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Rmart30, I dont know where you are but I have some prowl and im getting another jug of sonalan if you need a little. Both are pretty expensive. Ive never used the prowl for watermelons or canteloupes but im sure if marshmud says its ok it probably is. You can google the lables. Watermelons and canteloupes are not on the sonalan lable but ice been using it for several years. Appreciate it. Im in north Jefferson. Id be planting maybe a 30x50 spot. Just hollar if you want it. Probably wouldnt take a half a cup to do it. I know I hate to buy 2 1/2gallons of something when I just need a few ounces.
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: jwalker77]
#3098053
04/13/20 09:01 AM
04/13/20 09:01 AM
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Posts: 2,572
North Alabama
BamaPlowboy
10 point
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10 point
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North Alabama
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Rmart30, I dont know where you are but I have some prowl and im getting another jug of sonalan if you need a little. Both are pretty expensive. Ive never used the prowl for watermelons or canteloupes but im sure if marshmud says its ok it probably is. You can google the lables. Watermelons and canteloupes are not on the sonalan lable but ice been using it for several years. Curbit and Sonalan have the same active ingredient, Sonalan is the row crop label. Ive never heard of Prowl being used as a pre-emerge in melons, maybe in the row middles only. Reflex and Sandea are a pretty good combo for watermelons too but a little weak on grass, Strategy is a combo of command and cubit and is ok but weak on broadleaves.
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: FurFlyin]
#3098060
04/13/20 09:04 AM
04/13/20 09:04 AM
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Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 26
Central AL
mv67
spike
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Posts: 26
Central AL
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Wanted to ask for help. I have a backyard garden and wanted to ask what is the best way to control grass and weeds from growing in it. The area I plant was originally part of my yard with grass growing in it. This area has been planted to about 10 years and tilled every year. I have added topsoil over the years and I have limed and put out fertilizer each year. I spray glyphosate at least a month or so before planting and I spray again a few days before tilling the soil. I plant and it seems like everything is dead but as soon as the first rain hits it looks like I am better growing sod than a garden. In a few weeks it is solid grass and green growth. Is there any way to avoid this? Is it bermuda grass? Its got some Bermuda in it but its got a lot of other types of grass as well. I have a 3/4 acer right of way going thru the back yard so its just a lot of green growing.
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: mv67]
#3098271
04/13/20 01:26 PM
04/13/20 01:26 PM
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Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,456
Marshall County
FurFlyin
OP
Freak of Nature
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OP
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,456
Marshall County
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Wanted to ask for help. I have a backyard garden and wanted to ask what is the best way to control grass and weeds from growing in it. The area I plant was originally part of my yard with grass growing in it. This area has been planted to about 10 years and tilled every year. I have added topsoil over the years and I have limed and put out fertilizer each year. I spray glyphosate at least a month or so before planting and I spray again a few days before tilling the soil. I plant and it seems like everything is dead but as soon as the first rain hits it looks like I am better growing sod than a garden. In a few weeks it is solid grass and green growth. Is there any way to avoid this? Is it bermuda grass? Its got some Bermuda in it but its got a lot of other types of grass as well. I have a 3/4 acer right of way going thru the back yard so its just a lot of green growing. You've probably got a huge seed bank of crabgrass seed in the soil. Every time you til it, you're bringing new seeds closer to the surface so they can germinate. You aren't killing bermuda grass with glyphosate, unless you're spraying it in the fall when they rhizomes are storing nutrients. When you till bermuda that's not dead, you're just spreading it. Hit it this fall with a strong dose of glyphosate. If it's dry like normal, water the area well for a couple of weeks to get the bermuda actively growing before spraying.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: FurFlyin]
#3098289
04/13/20 01:58 PM
04/13/20 01:58 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 9,072
USA
marshmud991
14 point
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14 point
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 9,072
USA
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Wanted to ask for help. I have a backyard garden and wanted to ask what is the best way to control grass and weeds from growing in it. The area I plant was originally part of my yard with grass growing in it. This area has been planted to about 10 years and tilled every year. I have added topsoil over the years and I have limed and put out fertilizer each year. I spray glyphosate at least a month or so before planting and I spray again a few days before tilling the soil. I plant and it seems like everything is dead but as soon as the first rain hits it looks like I am better growing sod than a garden. In a few weeks it is solid grass and green growth. Is there any way to avoid this? Is it bermuda grass? Its got some Bermuda in it but its got a lot of other types of grass as well. I have a 3/4 acer right of way going thru the back yard so its just a lot of green growing. You've probably got a huge seed bank of crabgrass seed in the soil. Every time you til it, you're bringing new seeds closer to the surface so they can germinate. You aren't killing bermuda grass with glyphosate, unless you're spraying it in the fall when they rhizomes are storing nutrients. When you till bermuda that's not dead, you're just spreading it. Hit it this fall with a strong dose of glyphosate. If it's dry like normal, water the area well for a couple of weeks to get the bermuda actively growing before spraying. Solid advice here. Wasn’t thinking if Bermuda grass. Also if you have sedges, gly will not kill some of them.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: BamaPlowboy]
#3098527
04/13/20 07:22 PM
04/13/20 07:22 PM
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Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 22,262
blount county alabama
jwalker77
Pumpkin
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Pumpkin
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 22,262
blount county alabama
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Rmart30, I dont know where you are but I have some prowl and im getting another jug of sonalan if you need a little. Both are pretty expensive. Ive never used the prowl for watermelons or canteloupes but im sure if marshmud says its ok it probably is. You can google the lables. Watermelons and canteloupes are not on the sonalan lable but ice been using it for several years. Curbit and Sonalan have the same active ingredient, Sonalan is the row crop label. Ive never heard of Prowl being used as a pre-emerge in melons, maybe in the row middles only. Reflex and Sandea are a pretty good combo for watermelons too but a little weak on grass, Strategy is a combo of command and cubit and is ok but weak on broadleaves. The sandea is extra expensive. Ive got some of it too. It works good on nutgrass which is what I bought it for. I have pre emerged with it and post merged. It stunted my little watermelon plants when I got a little on them.
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: jwalker77]
#3098571
04/13/20 07:56 PM
04/13/20 07:56 PM
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Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,572
North Alabama
BamaPlowboy
10 point
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10 point
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,572
North Alabama
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Rmart30, I dont know where you are but I have some prowl and im getting another jug of sonalan if you need a little. Both are pretty expensive. Ive never used the prowl for watermelons or canteloupes but im sure if marshmud says its ok it probably is. You can google the lables. Watermelons and canteloupes are not on the sonalan lable but ice been using it for several years. Curbit and Sonalan have the same active ingredient, Sonalan is the row crop label. Ive never heard of Prowl being used as a pre-emerge in melons, maybe in the row middles only. Reflex and Sandea are a pretty good combo for watermelons too but a little weak on grass, Strategy is a combo of command and cubit and is ok but weak on broadleaves. The sandea is extra expensive. Ive got some of it too. It works good on nutgrass which is what I bought it for. I have pre emerged with it and post merged. It stunted my little watermelon plants when I got a little on them. Yea it ain’t cheap and will knock em back a little post-emerge but it’s great on nutsedge and red root pigweed. I have sprayed over the top of watermelons Pre-bloom and it’ll delay maturity some.
Last edited by BamaPlowboy; 04/13/20 08:01 PM.
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#3099539
04/15/20 12:09 AM
04/15/20 12:09 AM
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Posts: 3,881
middle o' nowhere
Luke Stepp
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Posts: 3,881
middle o' nowhere
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What sort of “general” fertilizer do y’all pros use. I back off on the nitrogen after the plants start to put on blooms and fruits. Phosphorous helps with fruit set. I'm currently using an organic fertilizer that appears to be made for pot growers (found it on sale for 75% off at a local clearance store.) Those potheads apparently have things figured out. My plants look much better than usual at this time of year.
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#3100357
04/15/20 06:40 PM
04/15/20 06:40 PM
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Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,456
Marshall County
FurFlyin
OP
Freak of Nature
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Marshall County
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What sort of “general” fertilizer do y’all pros use. Pro Tip: Don't use much nitrogen on tomatoes. It makes the core larger, extremely large. I give them some until I see the first blooms, then I quit. Heavy on P and K all season.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: New gardeners
[Re: FurFlyin]
#3100760
04/16/20 07:16 AM
04/16/20 07:16 AM
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Posts: 26
Central AL
mv67
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Central AL
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Wanted to ask for help. I have a backyard garden and wanted to ask what is the best way to control grass and weeds from growing in it. The area I plant was originally part of my yard with grass growing in it. This area has been planted to about 10 years and tilled every year. I have added topsoil over the years and I have limed and put out fertilizer each year. I spray glyphosate at least a month or so before planting and I spray again a few days before tilling the soil. I plant and it seems like everything is dead but as soon as the first rain hits it looks like I am better growing sod than a garden. In a few weeks it is solid grass and green growth. Is there any way to avoid this? Is it bermuda grass? Its got some Bermuda in it but its got a lot of other types of grass as well. I have a 3/4 acer right of way going thru the back yard so its just a lot of green growing. You've probably got a huge seed bank of crabgrass seed in the soil. Every time you til it, you're bringing new seeds closer to the surface so they can germinate. You aren't killing bermuda grass with glyphosate, unless you're spraying it in the fall when they rhizomes are storing nutrients. When you till bermuda that's not dead, you're just spreading it. Hit it this fall with a strong dose of glyphosate. If it's dry like normal, water the area well for a couple of weeks to get the bermuda actively growing before spraying. Great to know. I will keep working at it and appreciate this info.
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